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greetings and salutations friends

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welcome back to the midnight hours show

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tonight our guest will be author

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lecturer and researcher

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walter bosley

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he's standing by on the mystery phone

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let's get

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into it what was the topic tonight i

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forgot tonight the top mentioned it i

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would like to talk to you about

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allow me to then pull my book off the

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shelf so i have it handy in case i want

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to refer to it yeah and this is the book

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okay

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so

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the two

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well really there's a there's like

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the weather balloon explanation or the

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mogul explanation there's the

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extraterrestrial explanation

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uh

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you have quite a different theory that

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i've never heard anywhere else

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well that's good for me

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i guess

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at least that means you have a unique uh

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perspective that i've never heard and

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that's why

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one of the major reasons that i wanted

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to talk to you besides being a fine

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author of many fine books

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thank you

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so i wanted to see about this theory

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like what

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is your theory of what the roswell

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in a nutshell in a sentence

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i think

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and i'm i'm very confident in this but

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it is just my hypothesis

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based on history but in a sentence um i

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think what we know as the roswell

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incident

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a result of the first

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well they did have all the paper clip

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guys there right

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they had the right people

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in the same place at the same time

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they had a bunch of money

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uh you know all the secrecy they could

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hope for

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and i for me it's a no-brainer when you

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the history

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of what the us army air corps which

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became the us air force what what they

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were doing

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that actually led up

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to operation paper clip a lot of people

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think that operation pay-per-click was

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primarily and all about

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developing the bomb

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that's not the case

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technology right

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we wanted the rocket technology but

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operation paperclip was the brainchild

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of colonel harry armstrong and other us

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army air corps officers who were

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aerospace medicine division officers and

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they were specifically involved with the

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pursuit of

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first of all putting man into high

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altitude flight but these guys

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very in particular wanted to put man in

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space they were already thinking about

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putting humans in space dating back to

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the 19 late 20s and 30s i mean that was

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von braun's that was von braun's main

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interest in rockets he didn't really

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want to be making those those bombs for

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hitler but he wanted to put men in space

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with rockets

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aerospace medicine guys

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were pursuing the same thing

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and armstrong and the u.s guys knew all

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aerospace medicine guys before the war

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other's work unfortunately and this is a

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we learned what the germans were doing

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to test their theories they were putting

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human beings in altitude chambers

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without pressure suits

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kinds of experimentations and getting

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that on film and such

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and that did come out later in fact my

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some of those films in the 50s when he

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section of the command of the united

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states air force with what he did but

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so here you had the operation paperclip

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guys who were

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the first guys that were identified for

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operation paperclip were the aerospace

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medicine guys devoted germans devoted to

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putting human beings in space and that's

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what the us guys wanted to do

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obvious reasons yeah we wanted the bomb

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guys for obvious reasons but the real

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motivation for um colonel armstrong and

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the others was to get these guys here

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to advance our high altitude and then

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outer space flight pursuits and these

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you know this is why you you just can't

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this possibility

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though we get a lot of stories about

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aliens and uh flying saucer pieces being

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retrieved and things like that

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uh stories about a secret space program

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that they were developing there

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um i think that's the real secret i

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the et story was allowed to uh go out of

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proportion i think that's why even

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subsequently the uh the weather balloon

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uh reading the nuclear wind

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program all that was put forward not

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that those things weren't real we know

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they were doing the weather balloons we

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know they were doing project mobile and

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all those things

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that uh it would explain

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human beings in space

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action towards our classified space

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okay the the you know legendary secret

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space program because when you get into

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the 50s when the air corps becomes the

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medicine division he was one of the guys

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paperclip happen in in bringing these

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german aerospace medicine guys to the

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of that and that's really when you look

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served um the uh the high altitude air

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crews on the bombers and such absolutely

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was actually human beings in space with

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the space program now a lot of people

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the space program in fact the mercury

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program which the movie the right stuff

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and we all know those of us of a certain

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age particularly you know remember you

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know those seven astronauts and the

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little the little black capsule that

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only held one guy and it put americans

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the nasa was stood up the government

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stood nasa up in late 1958

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and we are told that they the air force

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nasa it became a civilian program well i

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on a civilian version of mercury but we

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have no reason to believe that the air

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force did not continue pursuing

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uh a parallel program yeah that seems

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very plausible to me because if you've

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ever known anybody that has a good deal

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of power

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just say okay the game's up we're just

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going to handle this especially if

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you're if you're really like one of

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these military guys who truly believes

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in your mission to protect the american

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people you're going to say there's

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military applications all over this and

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we're going to keep some of this to

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and you had to know the russians of

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course you know you had to assume if you

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were them that the russians were doing

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the same thing so this is why when i say

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people ask me

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walter was there a secret is there a

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secret space program and i say well yes

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i i think there is and i think it dates

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now when i hear these stories that it's

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some type of star fleet yeah

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we're we're gonna segue into that i yeah

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i noticed though you i have to say that

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you are very diplomatic in your

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criticism of some of these

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whack-a-doodle people out there telling

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stories about space battles with

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reptilian aliens

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where they time travel and you know uh

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speak to inner earth people and

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you can learn love and forgiveness for

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me for 333 dollars you're very

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diplomatic in your hand well those

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people but i want to ask you a serious

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don't you think that that guy and people

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like that guy have

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destroyed and set back serious research

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into real the real secret space program

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many serious researchers are sure exist

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well um thank you for noticing that i

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kind of uh

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notched back my approach to uh

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critiquing these guys because i didn't

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start out that way a couple of years ago

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i was pretty darn forward in literally

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throwing the bs flag at them and

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that's because of what you just said um

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the 2014 secret space program conference

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in san mateo california and then i spoke

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at the 2015 one in bastrop texas outside

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ambassador oh let me give you a little

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background these particular secret space

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program conferences yes they featured

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researchers

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you know that

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try to do things on a scholarly basis

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and you know present footnoted books and

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present uh excitable sources yeah yes

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historical details they talk about the

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technology and it's more you know no pun

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intended um more down to earth than what

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you hear from the woo-woo stories and

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progress was being made with these

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conferences by the time we got to

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bastrop that was the third one and the

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audience was very enthusiastic at each

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one and had grown in size from one to

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the next so the bastrop audience was

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even bigger

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than the one in san mateo the year

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before now um

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this serious secret space program

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research and investigation was

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making headway was gaining ground and in

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2015 on the very first day i was a

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speaker on the first day and on our

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panel when they opened up the microphone

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to

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um the first person with the mic

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was a young woman who

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her question was

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uh have we heard of

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um

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well have we heard of corey good sure

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and

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basically it was how can you have an

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event like this without him being there

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now

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leading up to the first day of this

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event

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for about 30 days

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his camp his fans his followers were

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just hammering

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the comments section in the forum on

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this this

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event

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not invite him well

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because he's a fool but um

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so then he

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this was one of his ringers i

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subsequently identified this same woman

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at one of his mount shasta events

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because she's in the video

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okay great and um totally recognized her

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um

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and she was clearly a ringer and i love

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this story because he sends in like a

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brainwashed cult member of his to go ask

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why can't he play in your playground

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walter bosley

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and jay you know jay widener was on the

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stage he wasn't a speaker but he was

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sitting next to me he agreed paul yeah i

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know that's but paul laviolette was next

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to me joseph pearl was up on that stage

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um i think it was uh jay dyer and i

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don't know what catherine

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the point is it's quite it's quite a

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more more scholarly academic environment

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so for him to just expect to walk in

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there and tell his whack-a-doodle

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stories

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of time travel and

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spaceships landing in his backyard i

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love fact-checking him though like the

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guy said spaceships landed in his

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backyard so

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you know what i did i

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contacted his neighbors did anybody see

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a spaceship landing in this guy's

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backyard and they were shocked and

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amazed to hear that the galactic

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ambassador of earth lived next door to

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them for a time right

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and nobody saw the spaceships landing in

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his and it was a tiny backyard walter

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bosley

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saw this spaceship not the ones behind

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them on the sides of them nobody saw the

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spaceship but him it's fun well this

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wasn't

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to us that weekend that event um he

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tends to be very angry and bitter if

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he's not included in things and then he

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sends these drones to attack everyone in

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one form or yeah

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yeah while he and mr wilcock

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by monday

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the day after

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the bastrop

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event ended okay

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they were kicking off their own secret

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space program online conference okay and

389
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some of their people had stolen

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lifted

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the the graphics of the event

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that we were participating in

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and applied them to i mean they were

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doing crazy stuff like that so um that

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was my first interaction with the show i

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just want to put this out there if they

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running their fake conferences want to

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fake walter bosley to just come and

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spout nonsense for you know a thousand

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dollars of speaking fee i'll be the new

401
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fake walter bosley there you go

402
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i can give you notes yeah

403
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come on

404
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i need the money you know

405
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well what happened after that then

406
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though

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was

408
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unfortunately the guys that had run

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these secret space program conferences

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they focused on

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um they're from europe they're from the

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netherlands and alternative energy

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conferences are really big over there

414
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it's a it's bigger you know that's a

415
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bigger thing than you know ufos and ssp

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uh over here

417
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and so they focused on doing one of

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those and in that time in that next year

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well

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the

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know

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the mr wilcock um

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they were suddenly being pushed

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everywhere

425
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you know on all the venues and we know

426
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the venues we know the shows

427
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c2c all of them

428
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instead of

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uh paula violet

430
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joseph farrell

431
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uh michael schratt

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or

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catherine austin fitz

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they would have those people on there

435
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but instead of having them on or me they

436
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never asked me

437
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you know any of us to get on there and

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talk about real secret space program

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research

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they would have

441
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corey good

442
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,799
yeah which was patently ridiculous but

443
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he was telling

444
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um the woo crowd what they wanted to

445
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hear and that gets good ratings and what

446
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:46,799
happened was for the uh well for the

447
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next

448
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two years

449
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if secret space program was talked about

450
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anywhere it was that foolish

451
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fantasy

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starfleet nonsense

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and then of course the alleged

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whistleblowers that's another

455
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,080
thing that you know we both know

456
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is ridiculous and that was being pushed

457
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along with this yes

458
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i gotta tell you and i can tell my

459
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listeners this like

460
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one of the things that was fascinating

461
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,200
to me about david wilcock is that

462
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any time he opens his mouth that you can

463
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,600
fact check him it turns out he's lying

464
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and i was kind of shocked at the level

465
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of which this guy is lying like this is

466
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the latest is that this pete peterson

467
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was murdered in a nursing home

468
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because he was going to tell david

469
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wilcock the alien truth

470
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and david wilcock is either too stupid

471
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or too lazy i don't know

472
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he doesn't realize that

473
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these things would be on record you

474
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can't just say that this guy was

475
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murdered in his nursing home david

476
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:57,039
wilcock that's crazy

477
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and so

478
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,640
i can i can tell you walter basil you're

479
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,559
the first to hear this i called the

480
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nursing homes

481
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:07,280
there has been no reported incidents of

482
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accidental injection no claims of murder

483
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nothing but normal run-of-the-mill old

484
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age deaths in that nursing home and if

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there was an incident like that they

486
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would have to report it to the

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authorities and the inspector general of

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idaho so i called the inspector general

489
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of idaho there's no reports of this

490
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and this is just ladies and gentlemen

491
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this is one lie in a video where he lies

492
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a hundred times i'm still going through

493
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the lies but maybe we'll get there

494
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someday well he and others like him will

495
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keep telling will keep saying

496
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whatever it is they want to say as long

497
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as it brings the cash in as long as

498
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people are donating

499
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and buying the tickets for this event in

500
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that event and buying whatever books

501
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they come out with

502
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you know guys like that just keep

503
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pushing that as long as it's making the

504
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money now when the money starts drying

505
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up they jump tracks and we know that

506
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wilcock has a history of jumping tracks

507
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secret space program for him was just

508
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you know a brief sojourn

509
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to essentially what he and corey good

510
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did was come in and raid

511
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uh a topic

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and um just really derailed it yeah now

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you clearly you could get it it did ruin

514
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it i think because before before he came

515
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in i believe that there was people doing

516
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a lot of credible research that pointed

517
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into a lot of and was shining light on a

518
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lot of secret government stuff and i

519
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thought this is great and there was a

520
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lot of momentum building and then this

521
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guy comes in

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and just

523
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shits all over this and now every time

524
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people think of secret space program

525
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they think of this buck rogers science

526
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fiction fantasy nonsense that he brought

527
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in

528
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and people say he's

529
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i've heard so many people say that he's

530
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i'm not that conspiracy-minded but

531
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people are saying this guy was sent in

532
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,080
by the c.i.a or something like that to

533
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muddy the waters and make this all a

534
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,960
joke well i can give you a more

535
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realistic

536
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,360
um version of that possibility okay so

537
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my my last assignment with the air force

538
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i was air force osi agent my entire time

539
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on active duty in the air force i don't

540
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know what it is i can't get away from

541
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,400
you air force osi guys because i had to

542
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:28,320
deal with michael horn and he's got an

543
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air force osi investigator

544
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and then i got and i got richard dodie

545
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and now you

546
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well um my my assignment at wright

547
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patterson i was there for three years i

548
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,440
was chief of the counter-espionage

549
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,360
operations branch now what is that

550
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:48,559
that's essentially double agentry okay

551
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,320
and uh you're handling assets who are

552
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you know going all over the world for

553
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you

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and

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um you learn

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and you do and you apply

557
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all sorts of

558
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just that you're handling people and

559
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,360
they do

560
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,400
they're doing sneaky stuff for you okay

561
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,919
now how

562
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it could realistically

563
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because i i wondered that too because

564
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,640
they derailed the serious research how

565
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,280
it could realistically be true in corey

566
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goode's

567
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case for example

568
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is we know he was in the texas state

569
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guard association thing okay whatever i

570
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forget what it's called but he's in the

571
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texas state guard that kind of

572
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technically makes him military personnel

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so

574
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,480
guys like me asset handlers running

575
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:43,919
operations

576
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:47,280
would have access to guys like him now i

577
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,400
could see

578
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,360
a guy

579
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,120
who would you know

580
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,280
which is what i used to do i could see

581
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,280
him um

582
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,760
you know being tasked with we need to

583
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,400
derail these serious secret space

584
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,320
program researcher guys because they're

585
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,480
getting too close and we got to keep

586
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,200
this you know under wraps what do we do

587
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,480
well

588
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,080
muddy the waters you muddy yeah exactly

589
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,919
exactly these good researchers are

590
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,640
getting too close in a form that's easy

591
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:18,799
to mess with because it's close enough

592
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:22,400
to nutty woo-woo stuff okay so

593
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,480
hey mr agent you find a guy okay

594
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,280
send him in to derail this

595
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,320
and you know with with nutty stuff and

596
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,440
you know we'll have some um

597
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,120
we'll be able to get you on we have our

598
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,720
sources we'll be able to get you on the

599
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,159
big venues we'll be able to get you on

600
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,679
coast to coast we'll be able to get you

601
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,720
on you know this that the other okay

602
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,039
but derail this so that's what the guy

603
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,679
like me would do would go to a guy like

604
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,120
you know would look at the available

605
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:52,720
people and say

606
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,760
oh here's this uh this corey good guy

607
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:57,360
and he's already talking this that and

608
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:00,960
the other let's use him so i would go in

609
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,000
and i would you know it's a long process

610
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,080
but i would vet him i would you know

611
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,480
introduce myself under pretenses and

612
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,200
then essentially long story short

613
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
i would feed him stuff and you know give

614
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,720
him direction kind of you know let's get

615
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,880
you in on the scene do this do that you

616
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,919
know and be pushing into this and you

617
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:24,960
you see if you know it's gonna work and

618
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,679
you know in this case hypothetically it

619
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,000
looks like it worked that's how that

620
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:31,760
would actually work it wouldn't be the

621
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,440
cia it would be you know um a guy like

622
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,080
what i used to do um probably assigned

623
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,240
to whatever the secret space program is

624
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,640
or some type of counter intelligence

625
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:44,480
support for it

626
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,919
using very real world asset handling

627
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,320
uh things and here's the thing uh you

628
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,320
can do this you can use someone like

629
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,720
this and they can be witting or they can

630
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,120
be unwitting as to who you really are

631
00:25:03,110 --> 00:24:58,480
what you're actually doing and what

632
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:08,390
this particular guy mr mendoza

633
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,710
i see him as the type that you would use

634
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,039
as unwitting

635
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,919
because it'd be really easy to pump up

636
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:18,960
his ego and you know fill his head with

637
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,000
the manipulative crap the asset handling

638
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,400
tools would work very well on him

639
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,600
and so if if this all answers the

640
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,720
question

641
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,279
if it's true that he was sent in to

642
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,720
screw with things

643
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,520
that's kind of the roughly the scenario

644
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,039
of how it would work

645
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:39,520
you know and it could be true

646
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,279
i don't know for a fact if it is or not

647
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,799
yeah you know i don't know one of the

648
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,039
things though that makes me believe

649
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,720
or has made me believe that there's no

650
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:51,039
way that there's any kind of handling or

651
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,799
that he's not an asset is because of his

652
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,000
his total focus on his critics and how

653
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,159
vengeful and angry he gets and like to

654
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,240
me if he was an asset he wouldn't care

655
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,080
about any of that crap just go do your

656
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,240
job and don't argue with these people

657
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:07,600
unless

658
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,799
accurate and he was used briefly and

659
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,720
then when they cut him loose

660
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,240
you know now he's out there just trying

661
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,760
to make a buck right

662
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,120
yeah now he's out there trying to make a

663
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,679
buck and just being himself and you know

664
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,600
we know how charming that is

665
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,840
so you know a lot you can't sometimes

666
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,159
you get assets that are real jerks as

667
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,880
human beings i encountered it once

668
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,440
myself um it was surprising it kind of

669
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,360
came out of nowhere but the guys turned

670
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,120
out to be a big jerk and all you can do

671
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,440
is just kind of cut your association and

672
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,679
whatever they do afterwards you know is

673
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,000
their thing so um

674
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,200
you know it's it whereas it's possible

675
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,480
that he could indeed have been used by

676
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,600
dod

677
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,640
um

678
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,880
wanting to protect the secrecy of a

679
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,039
space pro secret space program he could

680
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,440
have been used possibly been used

681
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,080
we don't know for sure and there's you

682
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,320
know there are some strong arguments

683
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,799
against it as well so it's

684
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,679
you know

685
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,600
take it or leave it yeah i don't know i

686
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,840
i think that the my personal belief is

687
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,520
that the people that are saying that are

688
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,919
giving him too much credit because you

689
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,720
uh recruited assets you need you need

690
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,640
certain skills and i just don't see it

691
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,720
with him i think it's just a con and

692
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,440
profit motive

693
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,520
well you need someone with a cool head

694
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,789
might i love his twitter meltdowns he's

695
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,799
great for like posting something and

696
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:36,640
then deleting it so you got to be quick

697
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,159
on the screenshot button you know

698
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:43,350
so

699
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,120
yeah for a while there after about um

700
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:50,960
a year and a half of that

701
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,679
i find i got vocal i was vocal for about

702
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,960
six months

703
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,919
on this

704
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,120
and

705
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,080
then i felt like okay i've said my piece

706
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,919
everybody gets the point there's more

707
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,799
people

708
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,799
pointing this out and saying hey this is

709
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:07,760
nonsense and he kind of had his

710
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,640
spotlight you know uh unfettered and

711
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,240
people began to see the problems with

712
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,960
his stuff so i said okay i'm gonna back

713
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,559
off and focus on my own thing because i

714
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:18,159
just don't want to be known as the guy

715
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,039
who

716
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,559
you know is

717
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,000
his critic

718
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,840
you know i i have other things i've done

719
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,159
i've written books i have my own work my

720
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,399
own stuff to focus but i felt that i

721
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,080
should have said something as a speaker

722
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,840
at the conference that he

723
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,320
um and mr wilcock tried tried yeah

724
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,880
disrupted and tried it uh strong i will

725
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,399
say this one last thing about that

726
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,080
conference the

727
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,000
the audience there was another

728
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,520
individual there that was i don't know

729
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,679
if he was a ringer who was sent but he

730
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,919
kept wanting to force corey into the the

731
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,080
conversation and the rest and the

732
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,159
audience was telling him hey you know

733
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,320
buddy sit down we're not here to hear

734
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,919
about that guy we're here to hear these

735
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,000
speakers so the audience was not

736
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,760
interested at all

737
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,200
in that

738
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,840
whistleblower so-called

739
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,240
secret space program nonsense of those

740
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,840
individuals

741
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,840
yeah i kind of wonder what the long game

742
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,679
is going to be you know because these

743
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,520
things don't end well for these guys you

744
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,120
know like

745
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,080
adamski billy meyer bob lazar well

746
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,240
actually bob lazard i

747
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,720
just moved to a million dollar house so

748
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,120
maybe he's doing okay with his ufo con

749
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,799
but i don't know most of these don't

750
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399
work out

751
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,399
right you know because right it's not

752
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,720
like he can just go back to a normal job

753
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,520
now

754
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,679
ever well and nor should they nor should

755
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,440
they if it's a con

756
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,080
they don't deserve for it to work out

757
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,080
yeah you know

758
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,840
essentially so

759
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,080
it's they asked for it

760
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,200
whatever

761
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,840
however comes to a big crashing halt

762
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,279
they kind of asked for that so i

763
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,360
oh well so do you think that do you

764
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,080
think that his kind of wave of woo-woo

765
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,320
nonsense is over now and people can get

766
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,320
back to real research or has it just

767
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,120
been a poisoned well now

768
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,399
um i

769
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:08,640
it's it's poison it was poison for a

770
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:11,919
while i'm speaking on this very thing

771
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,240
um at contact in the desert this year

772
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,000
good for you

773
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,320
yeah thanks i well you know people say

774
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,399
oh my god it's selling out you're going

775
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,960
woo i'm like no look at it this way when

776
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,480
they asked me they said look we're

777
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,120
wanting to focus on researcher types you

778
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,840
know people with footnotes and

779
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,840
you know can point to

780
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,799
some type of some type of documented you

781
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,880
know evidence um

782
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,960
and uh they asked me to be a speaker and

783
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,559
i said well absolutely if this is what

784
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,240
they're interested in and they're gonna

785
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,240
ask me to you know

786
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,720
talk about my research well why not you

787
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,120
know why not do that so besides this is

788
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,880
the biggest conference of the year and

789
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,480
the most important of course if you're

790
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,840
on that conference then it's a big deal

791
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,000
and unfortunately i don't think

792
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,440
he's welcome there anymore you know no

793
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,640
no not

794
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,360
yeah particularly after uh

795
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,880
wait did i just did i just say

796
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,760
unfortunately i meant fortunately he is

797
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,000
no longer welcome there

798
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:13,600
right yeah

799
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,230
some people say well there's still

800
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,080
some

801
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,000
questionable but i'm like you know what

802
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,240
i don't run the thing and they do have

803
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,480
to uh they do got to sell tickets they

804
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,880
do they do have a huge audience that

805
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,279
they have to appeal to

806
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,679
so you know yeah there's going to be you

807
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,600
know besides that i mean at some point

808
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,120
you know that's the biggest conference

809
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,440
of the year it's got a huge audience and

810
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,080
uh the show must go on walter bosley i

811
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,039
would go do it you know i've had to do

812
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,880
venues and places i didn't want to

813
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,360
really be doing a show but you do it

814
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:53,279
because you got right keep rolling on

815
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:54,320
you know

816
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,720
talk and maybe some of the talks of the

817
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,799
others that are that we're in the same

818
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,279
camp uh michael schratt i know some

819
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,519
people have trouble with michael stratt

820
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,679
uh but i am a

821
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,480
big fan of his big fan of his

822
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:12,960
yeah and he talks about you know

823
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,640
real type real world ssp type of issues

824
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,640
when he talks about ssp stuff so

825
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,799
hopefully with me and schratt and some

826
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:22,720
of the others that are going to be there

827
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,960
it will revive the more realistic secret

828
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,799
space program research

829
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,559
with the audience and revive their

830
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,360
interest in it right because uh yeah for

831
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,559
a couple of years there and then the

832
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,000
guys who were putting on this great

833
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,080
conference they weren't they haven't

834
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,559
been able to do another one since 2015

835
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,760
and that kind of hurt real ssp research

836
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,640
because

837
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,080
there were no

838
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,039
events to counter the nonsense

839
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,279
that these whistleblower

840
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,880
fantasy

841
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,960
storytellers were putting out there

842
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,360
constantly so you know

843
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,279
hopefully hopefully contact with the

844
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:01,360
desert and more and more will bring it

845
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,240
back

846
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,000
um

847
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,840
yeah i i really hope so because i

848
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,919
remember feeling that sense of momentum

849
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,519
and that things were moving forward and

850
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,440
then this came along and just

851
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,840
i was really disappointed in the whole

852
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,600
mess oh yeah that's probably what keeps

853
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,519
me interested in like why is this guy

854
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,640
still here like come on you know roll on

855
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,679
dude

856
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,600
but now he's uh now he's the prophet

857
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,480
enoch

858
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,320
and he's gonna teach you a course on

859
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,840
love and forgiveness for three hundred

860
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,600
and thirty three dollars

861
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,840
so that's the latest besides all the

862
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,399
book rogers space fantasy adventures now

863
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:36,399
he's a prophet

864
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,279
so

865
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,200
there you go lord

866
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,279
you know i wanted to mention too just to

867
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,279
my listeners that sometimes people will

868
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,200
tell me well there's no such thing as a

869
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:46,960
secret space program there's no evidence

870
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,480
of that i always come back to this x-37b

871
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,760
because that's something that we know

872
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,080
they have and it was in space for like a

873
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,519
year and a half

874
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,360
and then it came back and we

875
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,360
and if you say what was it doing up

876
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,360
there for a year and a half we can't

877
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,640
tell you

878
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,960
that's a secret space program right

879
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:07,279
there folks that's just the one we know

880
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,639
about

881
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,159
this is why

882
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:13,679
i emphasize um that it's a parallel

883
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,520
program that essentially except in a few

884
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,240
instances like the x37b and all that but

885
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,879
would essentially would essentially

886
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,720
use

887
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,200
the same kind of technology you see nasa

888
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,000
using the stuff that they would use that

889
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:31,839
nasa doesn't use would be the really

890
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,520
classified stuff but here's the thing

891
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:37,599
secret space program operations could

892
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,879
piggyback or excuse me be embedded

893
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,359
within nasa operations i like to i'd

894
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,879
like to throw this one out there okay

895
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,359
the air force has launched rockets from

896
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,960
vandenberg

897
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,520
you know for a few decades now right

898
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,200
okay um

899
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,359
i know for a fact as an osi agent

900
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,760
because my supervisor in l.a

901
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,000
she was the agent who's one of her

902
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,400
additional special duties was to be the

903
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,800
osi agent that would escort

904
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,480
payloads

905
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,520
from edwards or other places

906
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,000
to vandenberg

907
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,760
these are like spy satellites and things

908
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,520
that they're launching it could be spy

909
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,960
satellites but i want you to think about

910
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,119
some let's get wild here let's have fun

911
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,520
with speculation it's not too wild but

912
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,280
let's have fun with this

913
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,680
you're talking about a payload container

914
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,040
that's sealed

915
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:32,320
okay that it travels but late at night

916
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:33,119
um

917
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,920
it's loaded up okay under controlled

918
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,079
circumstances and by the time it's

919
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,640
loaded into the rocket and launched very

920
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,640
few people know what's actually in that

921
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,560
payload now i

922
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,359
suggest i don't know for sure but i

923
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,680
suggest this

924
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,680
we don't know that some of those

925
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,760
payloads couldn't have had life support

926
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,240
systems and had astronauts inside them

927
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,079
the air force could have been launching

928
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,800
p personnel into space from vandenberg

929
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,480
right under our noses

930
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,119
now people say oh but the telemetry

931
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,280
systems you know lava required that

932
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,640
someone on the ground would be able to

933
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,880
pick up but there was like well i say

934
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:17,599
baloney because they they probably

935
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,720
find a way to camouflage those from you

936
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,480
know your average

937
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,400
you know joe smith out there that would

938
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,720
be a nerd looking at this stuff or you

939
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,200
have somebody who's who's you know uncle

940
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,640
joe uncle ted was a security forces guy

941
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,640
vandenberg and he would know well

942
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,440
baloney to that too because your average

943
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,680
security forces troop is not going to

944
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,079
know what's inside that sealed payload

945
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,440
see he might know when the rocket's

946
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,359
launching he might know when it the

947
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,640
payload is being loaded but he doesn't

948
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,880
know what's in that container so that's

949
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,680
just one example not to mention

950
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,680
the shuttles yeah i was just gonna say

951
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,280
people on them i'm just gonna say that

952
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,160
you mentioned the overlap and uh you

953
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:00,960
know the shuttle program did an awful

954
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,680
lot of satellite launches that nobody's

955
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,839
ever allowed to know about i mean every

956
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,440
time it went up there there was some

957
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,359
secret payload and they would sort of

958
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,040
mention it or something like oh

959
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,359
launching yeah launching a satellite for

960
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,440
the us military that's it that's all you

961
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,200
got yeah what are all these and what are

962
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,280
they doing up there you know we're not

963
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,359
allowed to know

964
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,200
and the point is it doesn't have to be

965
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,200
star fleet technology to have a secret

966
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,680
space program it can be it could be

967
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,400
exactly the same stuff that nasa is

968
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,320
using but just with a military

969
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:33,599
application

970
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,119
and you know um once it gets up there

971
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,359
high enough in space they could be doing

972
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,920
anything then and we don't know down

973
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:44,320
here you know very few people would know

974
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,200
so

975
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,520
um this is the secret space program that

976
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,400
i advocate yeah i mean too you know the

977
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,480
real one and there is ample and

978
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,920
substantial

979
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,720
and convincing evidence of its existence

980
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,800
unlike these woo stories that have no

981
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,119
evidence no backup nothing that you can

982
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,200
point to

983
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,119
well here's the irony here's the thing

984
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,280
that might wipe out

985
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,760
um guys like me doing ssp research

986
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,079
anyway and that space force has been

987
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,800
stood up so what will happen is what we

988
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:17,200
are calling secret space program will

989
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,400
just simply

990
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:20,640
for the for partially

991
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,079
just uh continue under space force

992
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,000
uh and it'll be their clandestine

993
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:27,920
operations but much

994
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:30,720
much of what we suspect is a secret

995
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,480
space program is actually going to be

996
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,160
getting open operations yeah it's just

997
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,320
going to get rolled right into that

998
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,680
exactly it's going to be the open

999
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:41,359
operations of the new space force which

1000
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,960
i'm i'm all for i'm not one of these who

1001
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,720
you know there's the other funny thing

1002
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:48,640
that gets me is with the whistleblowers

1003
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,599
and the assumptions people make is that

1004
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,760
there's people that jump right to secret

1005
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,640
space program being an evil thing

1006
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,599
oh this must be a bad dastardly thing

1007
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,440
and you know i wonder well where are you

1008
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,960
getting that that's just typical

1009
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:04,640
conspiracy theory thinking in our

1010
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,599
community right oh it must be bad and of

1011
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,200
course you have these so-called

1012
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,880
whistleblowers who i think are lying

1013
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:13,119
storytellers let's just be plain about

1014
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,480
it um

1015
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,880
you know that that are

1016
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,680
projecting this idea that oh they had to

1017
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:22,160
blow the whistle and tell about this

1018
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:23,200
well

1019
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,320
why

1020
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,520
you know it's just space operations

1021
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,839
that are classified we don't know the

1022
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,240
reason they might be okay i know there's

1023
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,000
people out there saying well it's

1024
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,240
because they're they're uh lying to

1025
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,680
people and not telling us the truth

1026
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,000
about et's that makes them evil well

1027
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,599
that's a whole other discussion i think

1028
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,079
that's childish and ridiculous

1029
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,440
um that view but that's the popular

1030
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,800
you know that's one of the popular

1031
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,880
threads that we hear in our community

1032
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,200
but um you know here's the thing the

1033
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,520
real people that would be

1034
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,520
in the secret space program

1035
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,359
they wouldn't be whistleblowers because

1036
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,359
you said earlier you got people that

1037
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,720
want to you know in their mind they're

1038
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,920
protecting the country they're doing the

1039
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,839
right thing if you're a member of the

1040
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,839
secret space program number one you're

1041
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,640
essentially you've been picked right

1042
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,960
you've been considered the elite and the

1043
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,839
elite

1044
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,560
qualified personnel to be part of this

1045
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,800
thing okay believe me you're going to be

1046
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,240
called for it

1047
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,160
sure you know and you're you're going to

1048
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:25,119
be a good soldier so to speak a loyal

1049
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,480
troop you know you're

1050
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,440
this is

1051
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,680
and let's not forget the cool factor

1052
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,760
okay look when i was when i became a

1053
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,400
federal agent yeah i loved the work it

1054
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:37,839
was important work okay but you know

1055
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,880
is it cool to be a jet pilot yeah is it

1056
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,359
cool to be you know a professional uh

1057
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,280
baseball or football player yes is it

1058
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,760
cool to be a federal agent you betcha

1059
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,079
and that's part of

1060
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,160
part of the appeal part of how you feel

1061
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,440
good about yourself it's like you know

1062
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,520
what not everybody

1063
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,440
you know carries this federal badge not

1064
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,680
everybody gets to be an astronaut not

1065
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,680
everybody would get selected

1066
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,880
to be in the secret space program so

1067
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,599
it makes no sense

1068
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,119
when these whistleblowers come out with

1069
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,880
their claims and and then the other

1070
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,880
thing is if they were really what they

1071
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,240
claim to be

1072
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,480
this no i got news for people this

1073
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,200
nonsense that well if you go public

1074
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,680
you'll be protecting yourself yeah i got

1075
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,720
news for

1076
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,800
this is ridiculous you go public with

1077
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,040
classified information like that

1078
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:28,720
oh they're coming after you with

1079
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,160
handcuffs and off to leavenworth you go

1080
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,359
um

1081
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,280
so it it just doesn't

1082
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,680
all these whistleblowers there's not one

1083
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:39,760
of them who's legitimate that i've often

1084
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,720
said that the the biggest proof of their

1085
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,040
fakery and fraudery is the lack of

1086
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280
consequences they have suffered from

1087
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,119
their so-called whistleblowers i mean a

1088
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,359
real whistleblower is okay edward

1089
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,359
snowden has he suffered some

1090
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,400
consequences yeah oh yeah he can't cope

1091
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,720
where he never come by

1092
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,240
here's the other thing here's the other

1093
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,200
thing too with uh so they cheapened they

1094
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,280
cheapened the term whistleblower they

1095
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,839
stole that and made it worth nothing

1096
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,920
because a whistleblower has consequences

1097
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,480
to pay for their actions

1098
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,560
but here's what they'll do they're one

1099
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,920
of or more of them are going to be

1100
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,240
listening to us right as we're talking

1101
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,280
okay

1102
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,839
i love i love the hate listens i love it

1103
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,440
it just pops up

1104
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,119
it's great right the hate listens but

1105
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,040
what i'm talking about is

1106
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,720
you'll see something you've never seen

1107
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,599
before if they're listening to this when

1108
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,359
this airs okay

1109
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,680
and that is they'll hear what i'm saying

1110
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,240
what you're saying about no consequences

1111
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,480
and then they'll incorporate

1112
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,920
into their bs story oh well actually i

1113
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,760
have been interviewed actually they have

1114
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,760
talked to me they'll start incorporating

1115
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,079
that because they think well that's the

1116
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,920
thing we need for bona fides but you

1117
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:54,000
know i'm they're they haven't done it so

1118
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:54,880
far

1119
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,079
um and and you know like i said it's

1120
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,160
it's there's not one of them i love that

1121
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,880
i'm suffering i'm getting death threats

1122
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,640
and people are trying to kill me and

1123
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,640
like what kind of jane

1124
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,800
crazy world are you living in because i

1125
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,560
got to tell you something

1126
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,640
i know enough about the us government to

1127
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,720
know that if they want you dead you

1128
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,800
would be dead there would be no

1129
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,720
failed attempts there would be no

1130
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,880
messing around there would be no threats

1131
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,200
you would just be erased from planet

1132
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,839
earth tomorrow pal

1133
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:27,280
they wouldn't kill any of these guys if

1134
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,640
they were legit they would just go to

1135
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,480
prison and they would make them

1136
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,240
disappear one way or the other and shut

1137
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,560
them exactly maybe they'd be rotting

1138
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:38,000
away in prison but um

1139
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,839
it's just it's

1140
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,079
it's it's so ridiculous

1141
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,760
um but people

1142
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,920
love hearing this stuff and they don't

1143
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:47,760
want to be told they don't want to be

1144
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,520
told um to not have fun with this

1145
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,280
you're you're being a buzz kill you're

1146
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,760
spoiling their fun their fantasy when

1147
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,400
you point out to them that you know okay

1148
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,040
this guy might be a nice guy

1149
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,079
but he's he's full of crap this this

1150
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:06,160
isn't true he's he's not

1151
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,560
a former ssp guy he did not do 10 000

1152
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,480
autopsies i also want to i just want to

1153
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,720
point out to my audience that my

1154
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,040
favorite people involved in any kind of

1155
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:20,160
ufo or secret space program research or

1156
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:21,359
anything

1157
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,359
author somebody that's a voice out there

1158
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,760
my favorite of those people are the

1159
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,839
people that when you go through their

1160
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,040
biography and you look up

1161
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,640
did this person really go to college

1162
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,800
there wow yeah they did

1163
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,640
so

1164
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,560
walter bosley is here talking about

1165
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,560
being an air force office of special

1166
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,640
investigations officer

1167
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:48,000
and he was and that can be verified you

1168
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,280
can go

1169
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,760
and you could verify that this man was

1170
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,079
really a federal agent and he's talking

1171
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:56,480
about this stuff the weight

1172
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,160
of mr walter bosley's word on any of

1173
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,040
these subjects should be trusted for the

1174
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,240
sheer fact that his background that he

1175
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,880
claims is a hundred percent factual and

1176
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,440
if you go to these frauds fakes

1177
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,839
cosmic con men their

1178
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,240
backgrounds fall apart they didn't go to

1179
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,079
the colleges they say they went they

1180
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,240
didn't do they didn't have the jobs they

1181
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,839
said they had

1182
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,839
i appreciate people like you walter

1183
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,400
mosley because you're the real deal you

1184
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,640
were a federal agent working for the air

1185
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,480
force on

1186
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,079
can you tell us what kind of well come

1187
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,680
on tell us some of the stuff that you oh

1188
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,720
i i yeah i was i was a special agent of

1189
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,839
the osi my entire time on active duty my

1190
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,839
first i i had two assignments over the

1191
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,319
course of the almost six years i was in

1192
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,160
first assignment was los angeles air

1193
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,920
force base i don't want to i don't want

1194
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,760
to interrupt you but i got it i got to

1195
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,599
ask you this

1196
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,440
when this happened were you single at

1197
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,319
the time when you became a special agent

1198
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,040
and did you ever go out anywhere and a

1199
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,880
girl asked you what you do for a living

1200
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,040
because that had to be awesome to be

1201
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,720
able to say i'm a special agent

1202
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,200
i had been working for the fbi for

1203
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:10,960
almost six years when i went into the

1204
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,839
air force and no i was married um i've

1205
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,319
been married a few years and um i had a

1206
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,560
i have a son he's still awesome you know

1207
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,920
right when people ask you what you do

1208
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,880
and you could say well now

1209
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:25,520
that that that came after i got divorced

1210
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,950
if you can walk into a bar and tell all

1211
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,480
the chicks there that you're a special

1212
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,520
agent come on that's not easily i i

1213
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,440
couldn't do that because of

1214
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,720
what i did ironically i i

1215
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,319
what i would do is

1216
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,119
yeah i'm i'm in the air force i'm

1217
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,800
a great agent you couldn't tell him i'm

1218
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:51,440
a security officer in fact i dated a

1219
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:54,880
girl for um a year and she never

1220
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,950
i just said i'm a security officer

1221
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,990
well no i never did tell her wow

1222
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,560
there in fact i i kind of pushed the

1223
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,800
relationship away because she was she

1224
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,640
was a foreign national

1225
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,000
and um

1226
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:18,000
that's a whole story but i had reasons

1227
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,960
yeah

1228
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,480
well no i just doesn't make people

1229
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,079
suspicious

1230
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,440
if you're with a foreign national and

1231
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,960
you're a federal agent oh no not if you

1232
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,119
were not if you're reporting it okay i

1233
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,599
was reporting everything the whole time

1234
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,640
um but uh you know as as long as you

1235
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,559
report it and you're not telling them

1236
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:36,319
things but i didn't mean to interrupt

1237
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,440
you so you were talking about some of

1238
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:39,920
the cases and things that you worked on

1239
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:43,760
yeah you know in la i was um after doing

1240
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,359
my initial probation time which you do

1241
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,079
you know uh drug investigation cases you

1242
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,240
do fraud investigation

1243
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,000
you know you do the basic crime stuff

1244
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,920
but when i arrived there they said that

1245
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,520
because of my uh

1246
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,200
experience with the bureau

1247
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,880
in counterintelligence with them and

1248
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,720
operationally with them they were

1249
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,599
putting me right into

1250
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,440
counterintelligence so after the first

1251
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,359
year where i had to also do the regular

1252
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,079
crims stuff i was put in full time

1253
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,680
counter intelligence in la and i was

1254
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,240
also a liaison agent to the la office of

1255
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,079
the fbi which is where i started for the

1256
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,559
fbi years before

1257
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,920
and uh then i went to ohio and and

1258
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,240
during the course of that time in la we

1259
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,640
had you know i think we had well we had

1260
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,480
espionage matters that we had to look

1261
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,520
into but we also did program protection

1262
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,400
see this is how a guy like me

1263
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,920
learns about

1264
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,079
some of the stuff we talk about you know

1265
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,079
on shows like this and in books like i

1266
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,680
do because when you say program

1267
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,920
protection you mean the secrecy

1268
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,760
protection of some of the programs

1269
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,079
they're working on right

1270
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,960
yeah you have to be briefed in on the

1271
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,480
the stuff that you're protecting you

1272
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,559
have to be briefed in to be able to to

1273
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,480
when you give security briefings to the

1274
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,880
personnel that work with this stuff um

1275
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,559
you got to be briefed in because if

1276
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:02,960
you're investigating you know a

1277
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,680
potential a suspected foreign agent

1278
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,440
looking into things you got to know you

1279
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,119
know what he or she might be trying to

1280
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,520
get at blah blah so forth

1281
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,839
and then i went to ohio and was

1282
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,119
chief of the

1283
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,359
counter espionage operations branch

1284
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,000
which is a very specific thing

1285
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,920
and during that time i was deployed to

1286
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,680
saudi arabia for six months to do

1287
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,680
counter terrorism counterintelligence so

1288
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,079
i spent um

1289
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,200
pretty much all my career doing uh you

1290
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,200
know counterintelligence intelligence

1291
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,720
type ops and then i went into

1292
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,720
counterterrorism after the air force but

1293
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,400
um

1294
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,119
so you know that's

1295
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,880
that's the kind of stuff i was doing

1296
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,640
that's the world

1297
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,680
i was working in and um

1298
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:50,400
a funny little story when i was a new

1299
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:51,520
agent

1300
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,640
for the air force um of course i had i

1301
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,520
wasn't an agent i was a an operational

1302
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,720
specialist

1303
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,920
for the fbi in various positions

1304
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,400
and then i went in the air force

1305
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:06,960
got commissioned

1306
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,920
and became a federal agent for osi

1307
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:11,760
and when i went over to get my briefing

1308
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,119
my security level briefings uh i went

1309
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,960
with one of the other new agents who was

1310
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,559
a few years younger than me he was like

1311
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,319
a right out of college boy

1312
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,400
i was this you know 30 year old married

1313
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,720
guy who'd been with the fbi and this

1314
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,559
other guy he was kind of he was kind of

1315
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,800
a cocky kid he was going to be the super

1316
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,040
agent of the whole detachment

1317
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,160
you know bless his soul and uh we go

1318
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,079
over there to get our briefings and

1319
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,920
you're in a room you're in a you know

1320
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,599
it's kind of like a mini theater kind of

1321
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,599
room over in the vault they throw

1322
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,119
pictures up on the screen and they tell

1323
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:44,800
you okay this is for

1324
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,319
top secret level blah blah blah okay

1325
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,240
and they give you that level briefing

1326
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,480
and then they say okay everyone except

1327
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,240
colonel so-and-so colonel so and so

1328
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,559
major such and such uh master sergeant

1329
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,319
so-and-so and special agent bosley

1330
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,000
you're all dismissed

1331
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:02,000
so this new guy this other new agent

1332
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,280
who's going to be super agent he kind of

1333
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,640
got this look on his face like wait a

1334
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,319
minute he gets to stay and get more

1335
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,200
levels than me and you know so i kind of

1336
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,960
said yeah i'll i'll see you back there

1337
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,040
when i'm done uh well

1338
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,680
leveled up and the young punk didn't

1339
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,680
oh here's the funny thing

1340
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,319
as we went through the briefings it came

1341
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,720
down to the only guy left in that room

1342
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,960
for a certain portion of levels was

1343
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,920
special agent bosley so i go i go back

1344
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:30,160
to the detachment like in

1345
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,200
almost

1346
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:32,960
two hours later

1347
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,880
walking in and there's that guy that

1348
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,480
younger agent he goes oh did you did you

1349
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,319
go to lunch or something i'm like oh no

1350
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,480
i i just finished in the vault

1351
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,839
and he looked at me he goes you were

1352
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,599
over there the whole time i'm like and i

1353
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,119
just kind of nodded yeah

1354
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,440
and i knew it just kind of burned this

1355
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,079
kid because he's like wait a minute but

1356
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,599
um you know you get your you get your

1357
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,359
and you're not you're not supposed to

1358
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:58,880
you're not allowed to say what your

1359
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,319
levels are um in the top secret you know

1360
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,800
arena but i i've got mine and

1361
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,400
anyone who's ever done it there's a lot

1362
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,839
of people here's the funny thing about

1363
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,559
this you hear people in our world bandy

1364
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,720
about oh top secret i have top secret

1365
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,960
you know there's been a lot of personnel

1366
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:16,720
not everybody

1367
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,520
there's a lot of people yeah have been

1368
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,640
you know

1369
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,480
top secret i can tell you this this is

1370
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,839
my only cool

1371
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,160
uh story about clearance that'll never

1372
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,119
happen to me ever again but i happen to

1373
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,079
be hired as a subcontractor to work at

1374
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,880
the drexel robotics lab

1375
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,960
oh okay many years ago they needed

1376
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,040
somebody to do linux servers and this

1377
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,280
was when linux was pretty new and nobody

1378
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,720
really knew it and then so they're going

1379
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,040
to call me in and i had to get an

1380
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,040
interview and all kinds of things and

1381
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,200
clearance to be able to walk in the

1382
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,040
building because they were doing top

1383
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,800
secret research and i thought that was

1384
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,559
the coolest thing like i'm gonna get

1385
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,040
this clearance and i didn't see anything

1386
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:00,640
but the little room i was building the

1387
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,599
servers

1388
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,680
but it was still a fun story it was

1389
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,400
still fun you know like i got tops i got

1390
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,720
my clearance to go into this top secret

1391
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,880
government lab they walked me in there

1392
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,839
with a security guard into a

1393
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,720
clock a server closet

1394
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,559
and here's what you got to work on today

1395
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,200
buddy i'll be back a lot of times a lot

1396
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,280
of times you're cleared for we call it

1397
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,040
well cleared for weird is another level

1398
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:25,280
but um well you know guys like you would

1399
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,640
be cleared a lot of that is just in case

1400
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,240
you get exposed to something you hear

1401
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,480
something but um you know i yeah i had

1402
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,559
top secret yeah i don't remember there

1403
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,559
was i don't know who he was i don't even

1404
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,640
know what agency but there was some like

1405
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,839
suited

1406
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,440
you know government guy that had to

1407
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,359
interview me before i could walk in the

1408
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,599
building and it was a weird conversation

1409
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,400
you know like sure do you have any uh do

1410
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,040
you have any ties to foreign agents

1411
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,920
and weird questions you know like and

1412
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,760
and some hypothetical questions and

1413
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,880
things like that did you consider

1414
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,559
yourself patriotic how am i supposed to

1415
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,880
answer that i don't know you know it was

1416
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,319
weird it was well they're looking at

1417
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,079
your body language yeah it was like it

1418
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,760
was like 10 minutes and then the guy was

1419
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,920
like all right you're okay um you know

1420
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,680
okay so now i can walk in there and do

1421
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,079
the job for the next month but i only

1422
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,559
saw a closet i saw a server closet and i

1423
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,640
didn't see the damn robots that they

1424
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,079
were building

1425
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,760
that's what i wanted to see what kind of

1426
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,240
robots you got in here nope i didn't see

1427
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,839
well you know a few a couple of years

1428
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,640
back

1429
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,680
um

1430
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,680
i was

1431
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,200
my clearance levels

1432
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:32,160
top secret various levels sci

1433
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,040
um

1434
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,960
actually they're we refer to them as

1435
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,520
tickets it's a misnomer to say levels

1436
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,440
because people think of you know levels

1437
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,680
are stacked right you go higher there's

1438
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:43,599
ts is a category and you get so many

1439
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,680
tickets within ts and stuff and um

1440
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,640
now the the acronym

1441
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,400
sap sap

1442
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:53,839
okay

1443
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,559
uh

1444
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,440
my understanding you know in my day i

1445
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,119
was i was

1446
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,240
i was in a sap okay we were never

1447
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,640
supposed to utter that acronym

1448
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:07,040
outside our world you know

1449
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,480
what i mean by that if you're

1450
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:10,240
interviewed by somebody on the news you

1451
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,599
know um uh you know or in in these books

1452
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,319
i'm writing you're never supposed to say

1453
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,000
special access program that was

1454
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,400
something that was sensitive okay

1455
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,400
you weren't really you were discouraged

1456
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,640
to even use that acronym well a few

1457
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,559
years ago a very prominent politician

1458
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,200
was in hot water and was just bandying

1459
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,760
about zap zap zap sap sap

1460
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,960
and then

1461
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,400
more people started

1462
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,079
you know talking

1463
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:38,000
special access programs it's like well

1464
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,880
great

1465
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,040
folks that that's kind of sensitive

1466
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,720
we're not supposed to we're not supposed

1467
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,599
to be

1468
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:45,280
and you think that's okay they don't

1469
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,880
even want people to know that there

1470
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,079
exists secret access

1471
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:51,839
yeah these special access programs are

1472
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,799
just that i mean what i did in ohio i

1473
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,079
was in a sap

1474
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,760
and um

1475
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,240
you know so and it depends on what it is

1476
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,640
you know one guy's sap is not the same

1477
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:04,559
as the other guys you know it's it's a

1478
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,760
very specialized thing and that's yes

1479
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,480
that is where things can get really

1480
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,240
interesting because

1481
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,319
by the very definition of that

1482
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,400
you could you could be doing something

1483
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,520
that you know nobody else is doing um

1484
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,040
you could be doing something that you

1485
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,839
know there's only like four branches of

1486
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,599
what you do and you know you're in one

1487
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,400
of them

1488
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,799
so yes special access programs where

1489
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,480
things can get really

1490
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:32,000
really interesting

1491
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,040
um

1492
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,000
but uh oh before i forget

1493
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,000
um after we're done here if you provide

1494
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,359
me with your email address and this is

1495
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,760
something i a lot of guys don't do but

1496
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:44,160
i've been doing this for for 10 years

1497
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:45,839
i've been trying to do this

1498
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,359
i'm going to send you a copy of my dd214

1499
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,400
because that's awesome i would love to

1500
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,480
see that's my bonus i would love to see

1501
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,319
that walter box

1502
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,599
for those that don't know the dd214 is

1503
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,119
the entire

1504
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,599
uh breakdown of what the person did

1505
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,839
while employed for the military well

1506
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:06,160
it's much more detailed than just the

1507
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,119
average

1508
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,960
way that you verify somebody's military

1509
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,640
credentials you could just get okay they

1510
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:12,240
were in from this date to this date but

1511
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,200
the dd214 is very detailed and it will

1512
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,119
show where you were stationed what your

1513
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:19,119
primary responsibilities were and things

1514
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,079
like that

1515
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:21,760
and if you want to prove that somebody's

1516
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,040
the real deal i have found many fake

1517
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,760
military people that won't give me that

1518
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:29,440
and that's how you speak

1519
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,640
that's how you spot it and you know why

1520
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,559
they you know why they won't give that

1521
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,960
to you because they know darn well that

1522
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:37,520
that is a form that you can neither

1523
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,720
doctor doctor nor forge

1524
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,880
and stay out of trouble so they don't

1525
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,440
want that kind of trouble so

1526
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,000
you know by my give the dd214 is a

1527
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,079
public form you know they give them to

1528
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,079
us by the dozens when we get out you

1529
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,000
know for when we're applying for jobs

1530
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,480
it's something that you could get i

1531
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,079
don't know if you can get it on me

1532
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,480
because no i would have told the person

1533
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:02,720
i would have to be a family member and

1534
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,240
uh to get my dd214 and your osi

1535
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,920
involvement would complicate things a

1536
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,920
great great deal because they look at

1537
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,760
those a second and third time before

1538
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,000
they let anybody see those but because

1539
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,920
you're a host who's having me on your

1540
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,720
show

1541
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,599
okay and you're exposing me to your

1542
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,680
audience exposing your audience to me i

1543
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,799
should say

1544
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,920
and and

1545
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,760
i i think it's fair i think it's right

1546
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,359
that i provide you with some type of

1547
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,520
documentation proving that i was in the

1548
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,200
united states air force and that i was

1549
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,200
indeed an osi agent but i wasn't indeed

1550
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,520
it right now walter i can i can i could

1551
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,040
put my cards on the table and tell you

1552
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,799
the honest-to-god truth and that i've

1553
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:41,040
already looked into your background and

1554
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,920
was

1555
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,079
sufficiently convinced and don't need to

1556
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,880
see that there you go i've already done

1557
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:48,160
my homework

1558
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,119
on you

1559
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,680
and i'm good but it's awesome that you

1560
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,760
could do that because this is what the

1561
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:55,760
frauds don't do my favorite guy that

1562
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,359
won't give me the dd 214 is charles hall

1563
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,160
the inventor of the white alien stories

1564
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,640
you know he worked at a secret base

1565
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,000
but he all of his military is fake

1566
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,319
and it's weird to me that every time

1567
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,240
that guy gets up

1568
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,880
and talks at a ufo conference about

1569
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,880
these tall white aliens he's committing

1570
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,520
a felony because his military service

1571
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,960
never happened

1572
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,280
so you're right about that so he's

1573
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,040
claiming that he has he was in the air

1574
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,799
force and that's where he saw the aliens

1575
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,799
and he wasn't folks i checked and

1576
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,119
checked and checked we're sure of it

1577
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,799
and other people have checked and

1578
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,119
checked and are sure that foyer requests

1579
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,599
he never worked for the military he's

1580
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,599
standing up at a conference getting paid

1581
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,760
to talk about aliens based on

1582
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,839
his military service that's a felony

1583
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,599
folks every time vouch for that

1584
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:48,000
personally because when i was at la we

1585
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,200
had a case that was just that a guy was

1586
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,839
impersonating um being air force

1587
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,839
personnel impersonating you know having

1588
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,680
been an officer he was going around at

1589
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,319
public speaking events um his big

1590
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:02,000
mistake he was doing was he began

1591
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:03,599
defrauding people

1592
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,880
money uh but you know loans and such

1593
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,160
based on this but uh we followed this

1594
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,559
guy we surveilled him he went to an air

1595
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,640
show in uniform

1596
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:16,400
you know he would do he would appear in

1597
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:19,599
uniform and and uh he's in jail

1598
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,150
[Music]

1599
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:36,400
there's a federal law that if you

1600
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,920
impersonate or fake your military

1601
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,240
service and then you profit from faking

1602
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,640
that military service so when charles

1603
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,720
hall gets up and says i was an air force

1604
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,359
officer and i saw these aliens give me a

1605
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,440
thousand dollars for my speaking fee

1606
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,760
that's a felony because he did not work

1607
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,319
for the we got proof we have absolute

1608
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,119
proofing never yeah it's all fabricated

1609
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,319
so the the major point is that there's

1610
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,640
there's these crazies out there that are

1611
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,799
all just making up stuff and the true

1612
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,880
and genuine researchers and people that

1613
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,880
you can trust that's what i've been

1614
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,640
trying to get to on my show walter

1615
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,720
bosley i want to get to the guys like

1616
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,119
you that i can trust because you are who

1617
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,680
you say you are you're not some fake guy

1618
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,920
that just made up all this nonsense

1619
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,280
stories

1620
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,760
well and i i will not embellish

1621
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,680
the things i did in my career when

1622
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,160
people will say oh um

1623
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,359
for instance for the longest time um and

1624
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,040
and they weren't doing this on purpose

1625
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:37,760
to you know as a see you know a

1626
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,319
malicious thing uh but people would get

1627
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,079
it confused they'd say i was a former

1628
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,480
fbi agent well that's just

1629
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,160
i would correct them and i would make

1630
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:48,559
sure to correct them politely on air

1631
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,799
because i was not an fbi agent i was an

1632
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,400
operational specialist working

1633
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,880
undercover a couple of assignments for

1634
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,799
the fbi and counterintelligence doing

1635
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,480
very interesting operational work but i

1636
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,119
was not a special agent for the bureau

1637
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,039
and i like to be

1638
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,440
100 percent

1639
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,680
uh accurate

1640
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:11,680
the devil really sometimes is in the

1641
01:02:16,270 --> 01:02:14,319
details and it is and this is another

1642
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,280
indicator of your of your

1643
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,799
genuineness because

1644
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,480
somebody that was just telling stories

1645
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,200
would embellish somebody and not care

1646
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,359
about the distinctions and the factual

1647
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,760
accuracies of this is what this kind of

1648
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,480
position is and was it wasn't yeah and

1649
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:32,799
here's what it's not you know i'm also

1650
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,880
correcting people when they think oh you

1651
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:36,559
must have done this commando stuff i'm

1652
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,760
like no no no no no um i was trained in

1653
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,440
some some

1654
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,520
you know level command what you would

1655
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,599
call commando types are you saying you

1656
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,920
kick my ass walter bosley because i i'm

1657
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,240
not sure man i grew up on the streets of

1658
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,880
philadelphia you know i'm a professional

1659
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,799
you know what my answer to that is

1660
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,720
i don't know i don't know because i

1661
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,559
don't know you and you never know who

1662
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:00,960
can kick your ass until you're

1663
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:04,640
you're in it so and anybody who is

1664
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,280
honest and has been trained in any of

1665
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,119
that kind of stuff

1666
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,520
that's that's the right answer because

1667
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:13,839
you don't know you never no matter no

1668
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,240
matter how good you are and and what you

1669
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,000
know right there's always the guy out

1670
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,079
there that can kick your butt or the

1671
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,680
lucky punch there's always the lucky

1672
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,280
punch

1673
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,319
they're just paying attention

1674
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,079
knocked down so yeah so there's a lot of

1675
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,799
guys who will who will say you know they

1676
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,640
were this and they might have been this

1677
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:35,039
but then as you said they'll embellish

1678
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:38,960
what that does when that thing

1679
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,079
doesn't do that other duty doesn't do

1680
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:44,480
that particular thing yes and you know i

1681
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:47,920
also suffer from ufo disease

1682
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,079
and that is that they come out with a

1683
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,079
story and then sometimes some of them

1684
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,760
come out with a story and it sounds

1685
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,599
pretty good and this could really be

1686
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,200
real and it's kind of a credible

1687
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:58,799
believable story

1688
01:04:03,270 --> 01:03:59,920
and then

1689
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,280
for a little while but people get

1690
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,680
started get tired of that original story

1691
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:08,000
so we got to invent new stories and now

1692
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,760
the story gets you know

1693
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:11,839
ramped up and embellished and i had new

1694
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,480
recovered memories and it just gets

1695
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:16,480
crazier and crazier with some of these

1696
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:17,680
people

1697
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,480
you know i i my whole time in the air

1698
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,119
force um my whole time working that

1699
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:25,359
world my whole time my career i never

1700
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:28,880
had a ufo uh sighting or experience that

1701
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:31,440
didn't happen to me until december of

1702
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,720
2014 just a few years ago and the other

1703
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,240
witness that was with me is the one that

1704
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:38,079
saw it first came running in the house

1705
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:38,799
to

1706
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:43,760
look at the thing and um i'll be talking

1707
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,359
about that at contact in the desert

1708
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,359
do you think that might just be your air

1709
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,119
force friends checking up on you with a

1710
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,960
super advanced drone

1711
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,359
because that's a possibility

1712
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,039
i'm not significant enough for them to

1713
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,920
do that but uh it it's part of the

1714
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,119
possible

1715
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,160
explanation because we have a

1716
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,799
former air force base right here i can

1717
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,960
see it from my backyard norton air force

1718
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:10,720
base which has a very interesting

1719
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:13,520
history in ufo history by the way

1720
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,280
and i still think has some level of dod

1721
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,440
presence that's my personal opinion

1722
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,359
about what is called san bernardino

1723
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,839
county airport

1724
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,160
i still think that there's a little bit

1725
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,359
of norton there i think the dod probably

1726
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,680
this is my guess i think the dod

1727
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:33,839
probably had a little paragraph in the

1728
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:36,160
contract that says hey at any time we

1729
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,839
need to reactivate this as a military

1730
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,000
base we reserve the right to do that but

1731
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,240
i think they have some type of uh it

1732
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,520
wouldn't surprise me if they had some

1733
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,960
type of

1734
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,400
technical

1735
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,000
support

1736
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,400
unit there because you have edwards so

1737
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,920
close and when they're doing test

1738
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,920
flights if something went wrong they

1739
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:55,359
would need

1740
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:56,880
a good secure

1741
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,480
site to land right safely and norton

1742
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,480
norton would be it norton would be an

1743
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,240
excellent point and anything can come

1744
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:06,079
and go things come and go there in the

1745
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,119
night all the time in the daytime but

1746
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,440
so this is why i suspect that

1747
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,039
it to me it would just

1748
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,960
be smart business that the dod that the

1749
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,559
air force in particular

1750
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:18,480
probably still has a presence over here

1751
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,039
at norton so that said

1752
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,039
when i had my ufo sighting i thought

1753
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,880
well could this be

1754
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,400
some technology

1755
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,640
from the base here you know rather than

1756
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:29,839
go right to

1757
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:33,039
it's from another world you know um

1758
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:34,559
which i did consider

1759
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,440
uh

1760
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:37,119
because you got to consider all things i

1761
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,400
think when you're looking at this stuff

1762
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,720
you know i did consider well there's

1763
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:42,720
the former air force base right over

1764
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,520
there

1765
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:45,280
so

1766
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,559
it was interesting

1767
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,960
you know i have another must ask

1768
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,359
question on my list

1769
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,240
and uh this is a selfish question

1770
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,400
one of the selfish reasons that i

1771
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,079
started my show is because i wanted to

1772
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:00,799
get access to people like you

1773
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,359
and uh they're you know uh

1774
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,799
if i didn't have a show and i just

1775
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,480
called up walter bosley i don't know

1776
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,799
walter bosley is a pretty nice guy i i

1777
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,960
think he might help me but the fact that

1778
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:13,599
i have a show and i have this microphone

1779
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,640
it gives me entry into some people like

1780
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:17,839
you

1781
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:20,880
i did a big deep dive into bob lazar

1782
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:24,319
story and came out it's a fraud but one

1783
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,079
of the things that bothered me

1784
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,480
tremendously about his story and you

1785
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,400
were an air force office of special

1786
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,799
investigations guy you have counter

1787
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,400
intelligence training and all these

1788
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,400
things so i think i would consider you

1789
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,079
an expert witness

1790
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,559
one of the things that he said that

1791
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,039
bothered me tremendously

1792
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,520
is that when he got to this top secret

1793
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:47,920
base off of area 51 he read these

1794
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,039
briefings and uh in the briefings it

1795
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:53,599
talked about the fact that there was

1796
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,119
russian scientists there working on this

1797
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,039
top secret project with the american

1798
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,400
scientists and then they made a

1799
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,000
breakthrough and the russian scientists

1800
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,240
kind of got shoot away or the project

1801
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,680
shut down

1802
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,440
and that bothered me tremendously

1803
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:08,880
because this was supposed to happen in

1804
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:11,599
1988 which was yeah in most people's

1805
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,319
account the height of the cold war

1806
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,279
so yes i asked richard dodie who was

1807
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,880
responsible for security on area 51 at

1808
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,880
least according to him and these badges

1809
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,640
he sent me and a lot of other supporting

1810
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:26,080
information that he's telling me the

1811
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,960
truth

1812
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,520
he said there's no way on god's green

1813
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,839
earth that we would let any russian

1814
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:34,480
nationals anyone connected to the soviet

1815
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:36,839
union anywhere near area

1816
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,239
51. and so i wanted to ask you in your

1817
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,960
professional opinion is bob lazar's

1818
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:44,640
statement that there was russian

1819
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,679
scientists in area 51 working on any

1820
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:49,679
kind of top secret project at all

1821
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,359
plausible or is that lackadoo

1822
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:55,440
on area 51

1823
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,199
there's no way i agree with dodie

1824
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:00,799
interesting you know

1825
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,239
now as far as near area 51

1826
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:07,520
in the early 90s after the wall came

1827
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:11,120
let's see yeah after the wall came down

1828
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,400
um

1829
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:14,480
when we were continuing

1830
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,640
we we had this if you recall the

1831
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,359
dismantling the nuclear program

1832
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,679
thing going on where our

1833
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,679
yeah we were both reducing it yeah we

1834
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,920
were both yeah we were both reducing our

1835
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:28,640
inventory right yeah yeah and now the

1836
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:31,920
soviet former soviet russian inspectors

1837
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,400
came to the united states okay

1838
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,319
to observe and make sure we were

1839
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,239
dismantling ours

1840
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,000
i cannot go into

1841
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,239
too many details i can just say that

1842
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,719
when i was with the fbi still in the

1843
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:46,239
early 90s

1844
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:47,279
i

1845
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,600
um

1846
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,480
and i was doing some stuff

1847
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,920
in support of the fbi keeping an eye on

1848
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,000
the russian scientist

1849
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:02,000
out at the nuclear test site at mercury

1850
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,600
which is adjacent to area 51.

1851
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:07,920
but they were there for the

1852
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,120
for the nuke dismantling program

1853
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,840
um and they would not you're absolutely

1854
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,000
right they would not have been allowed

1855
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,040
on area 51 at all

1856
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,920
it was a very controlled entry kind of

1857
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,870
we got to drive on

1858
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:29,040
the installation we were working the

1859
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:32,320
nuclear test site um you know ourselves

1860
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,920
in our own car simply because you know

1861
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,560
we were fbi and we were cleared uh you

1862
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,560
know i had a q level clearance there

1863
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,600
that's

1864
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,360
that was equivalent to what i had with

1865
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,679
the fbi anyway

1866
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:45,679
in the department of energy which runs

1867
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,239
the nts um facility uh that's their

1868
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,000
okay they use the queue thing and i had

1869
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,080
acute clearance for that month but that

1870
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,679
was equivalent to what i had with the

1871
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,400
fbi that it was just their designator

1872
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,239
and um

1873
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,400
but the uh well

1874
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,719
i can't go into it anymore but

1875
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,360
oh no there were russians in the early

1876
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,760
age league don't get in anything in the

1877
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:12,400
area don't get in any trouble here

1878
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,440
adjacent to area 51.

1879
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:17,040
yes but it had nothing to do with but

1880
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:18,640
you understand my point of this story

1881
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,320
that sure it's just a glaring thing that

1882
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,280
flew out at me because right well that

1883
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,440
doesn't sound like we would do something

1884
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,920
stupid like let a bunch of russians know

1885
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,080
of course if we had something as exotic

1886
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:34,320
as alien technology we were studying

1887
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,199
especially would we say hey you're our

1888
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,199
greatest enemies and we might have this

1889
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:41,520
incredible technological advantage over

1890
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,880
you but we're going to let you work on

1891
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,920
it with us

1892
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,920
it doesn't make any sense

1893
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,840
of course it doesn't we we would not

1894
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:50,000
have done that but i'm i'm with you

1895
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:53,360
lazar to me is not credible

1896
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:54,640
the degree

1897
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,920
that his story has any credibility is

1898
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,600
possibly

1899
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:01,360
my view is this the scenario would be

1900
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,159
this

1901
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,800
while he was working in whatever area he

1902
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,640
was working in

1903
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,719
there may have been

1904
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:10,159
some

1905
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,040
you know

1906
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,920
what what we would call weird stuff for

1907
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,000
whatever reason going on out there or at

1908
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,800
most he and other personnel might have

1909
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,400
been exposed

1910
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:23,520
to um

1911
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,630
to to some bogus stuff some theater some

1912
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:33,360
government theater theater right i have

1913
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:42,310
right let's scare those russians let's

1914
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,400
make them think we well crazy or or or

1915
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,320
let's see how our people

1916
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,719
react to something like this and well

1917
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:52,560
who are we going to use let's use this

1918
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,400
nerdy guy that we hired to do this

1919
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,120
low-level thing this lazar guy and a few

1920
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,440
others um

1921
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:01,840
you know yeah some people as i can tell

1922
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,040
he had a contract to work on radiation

1923
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,000
monitors all around that area

1924
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,239
but he was not a scientist he certainly

1925
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:12,000
was not a physicist

1926
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,440
we i

1927
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,080
just ripped his education everything

1928
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,400
apart he does not have a thesis

1929
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,400
it's just all fake that's what i was

1930
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,400
talking about with a fake background i

1931
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,400
loved that story growing up

1932
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,199
that was my like my favorite story of

1933
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,600
ufo stuff because it hit you know i was

1934
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,440
in grade school and i was like oh my god

1935
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,360
this stuff's all real and here's this

1936
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,520
guy that worked on those things i always

1937
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,760
wanted to believe the story was real

1938
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,600
i ripped it apart i'm sufficiently

1939
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,440
convinced it's all con

1940
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,280
and uh the guy's always saying he

1941
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,679
doesn't make any money and tom delong

1942
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,760
just gave him a whole lot of money

1943
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:50,159
because walter bosley he's moving on up

1944
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,080
and he's moving to a million dollar

1945
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,880
property right now or he has just moved

1946
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,199
to a million dollar property fresh off

1947
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,440
the publishing of his new book published

1948
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,920
by tom delong

1949
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:03,280
yeah

1950
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,440
group of raiders right there um

1951
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,360
this is what i see is going on there

1952
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,400
there's been

1953
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,960
these characters that just came in and

1954
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:16,159
raided

1955
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,239
um

1956
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,640
and and and that's what's going on

1957
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:24,560
and uh you know there's

1958
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:26,239
some people that have totally bought off

1959
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:27,120
on it

1960
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,719
i mean the the ttsa fanboys

1961
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,600
are legendary there i just want to

1962
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,760
mention for the benefit of my listeners

1963
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:38,400
that mr bosley may not be aware that

1964
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,920
they are not fanboys of mine at all i

1965
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,000
like to ask questions i asked too many

1966
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:46,080
questions and tom delong blocked me on

1967
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,280
social media and i'm the devil

1968
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,360
and they're gonna bring us disclosure

1969
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,000
any minute any minute it's coming folks

1970
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,080
any minute any minute yeah they hate me

1971
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,679
too so i i know i know the feeling i i'm

1972
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:02,480
very proudly in that uh club

1973
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,600
but uh yeah it's it's

1974
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:07,679
you know

1975
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,560
it's

1976
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,480
we could go on and on yeah but you think

1977
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,480
this is all just it's just a lot of

1978
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,520
profiteering morons out there to me

1979
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,520
that don't have the goods because look

1980
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,520
if you i always say this about bob lazar

1981
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,600
and it's so funny like if bob lazar

1982
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,840
really had the goods or george knapp by

1983
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,600
extension who has said that he knows

1984
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,120
where that somehow some of that element

1985
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,679
115 is buried and he could go back come

1986
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,320
on man if they had the goods they could

1987
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,080
just drop it down on the table and say

1988
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,920
here's the proof [\h__\h] this is the

1989
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,679
element 115 that we've been talking

1990
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,440
about for 30 years

1991
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:41,760
they don't have anything and ttsa has

1992
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,800
nothing they have nothing

1993
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,640
element 115 is supposed to be a

1994
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,880
controlled item right

1995
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,400
i don't know that it's controlled it

1996
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,960
doesn't it's not stable so you know we

1997
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,560
can create it in the laboratory and it

1998
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,040
lasts for micro seconds and then it and

1999
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,000
then but decays so there there's no

2000
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,159
stable form of it

2001
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,400
but how did lazar allegedly come by it

2002
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,239
it was under controlled circumstances

2003
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,239
correct yeah he was in that secret base

2004
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:10,480
in area 51 and he may have stolen some

2005
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,600
out of it okay i got news for you if i'm

2006
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,000
the agent assigned to that

2007
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,880
investigation and a guy i hear george

2008
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,679
knapp

2009
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:21,120
run his mouth that he knows where it's

2010
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,239
buried

2011
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,880
i'm knocking on his door at midnight or

2012
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,040
or dawn the next morning well see this

2013
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,560
is what showing that badging credential

2014
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,239
and i'm saying mr knapp you're going to

2015
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,400
take me to that right yeah but see this

2016
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,480
is the narrative that they try to play

2017
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:37,199
and corbell of course it is they tried

2018
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,199
to use this fbi raid on uh bob lazar's

2019
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,280
business as a plot device and people

2020
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:45,600
don't know but that original plot device

2021
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,920
that bob lazar stole the element 115 now

2022
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,840
and then they came and stole it back

2023
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,000
from him was in the original hollywood

2024
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,640
screenplay that never got made

2025
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,400
that was the plot device so they take

2026
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,440
the same plot device and when the

2027
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,360
fbi raid happened i think they went

2028
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,840
let's put it in let's use this

2029
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,719
the fbi raid had nothing nothing to do i

2030
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,199
talked to the to the local sheriff i

2031
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:11,520
talked to the fbi agents that conducted

2032
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,320
the raid that had nothing to do with bob

2033
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,320
lazar and his crazy flying saucer

2034
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:18,400
stories but they try to paint that in

2035
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,640
that movie documentary as this is

2036
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,239
what happened the government came in for

2037
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,159
that element 115 it was a murder

2038
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,840
investigation had nothing to do with

2039
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,560
that but they wove it into the story

2040
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,159
and meanwhile george knapp says he knows

2041
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,880
where it's buried come on george snap

2042
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,719
take me into it well he he might have

2043
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,560
been he might have been told he might

2044
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,400
have been taken somewhere and shown hey

2045
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,320
that's where it says yeah yeah

2046
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,120
but for him to believe that

2047
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,520
you know but hey he according when you

2048
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,159
hear him talk he takes lazarda's word so

2049
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,920
that tells you i think he believes in

2050
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:53,840
the money that he has made over the past

2051
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,480
30 years he has to include his salary

2052
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,640
because that news station that he works

2053
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,400
for let him do an awful lot of stories

2054
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,800
about bob lazar over the years and he's

2055
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:05,040
getting a salary and this is a story

2056
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,990
well he's probably thinking of his

2057
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,760
legacy you know

2058
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,080
such as it is uh

2059
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,480
you know he doesn't want to

2060
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,600
let it fall apart now because his rep so

2061
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,760
much of his reputation yeah he's founded

2062
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,679
upon that maybe maybe they're done but i

2063
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,280
think there's another cash grab in the

2064
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,760
future for bob lazar now he's got that

2065
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,679
million dollar property he's going to

2066
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:31,199
need some money to maintain that

2067
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:33,280
lifestyle so we'll probably see another

2068
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,120
drop of bob lazar fraudery

2069
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:39,679
i think next year

2070
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,880
it might be interesting to see who

2071
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:43,120
corbell latches himself onto for his

2072
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,239
next uh

2073
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:46,719
vaudeville show yeah i'm not a fan i

2074
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,920
don't know i i i was very disappointed

2075
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:51,840
and i want to hear your opinion about

2076
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,400
this i was incredibly disappointed

2077
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,480
because there's this uh video out there

2078
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,320
it's like c.i.a

2079
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,920
death bed confession or something like

2080
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:02,000
that former you know

2081
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,880
yeah

2082
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,880
and it's an old guy that's supposedly

2083
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:07,199
dying and richard dolan interviews him

2084
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,440
and he tells all kinds of crazy stories

2085
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:11,760
about eisenhower's gonna send in the

2086
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:12,480
yeah

2087
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,360
this the military to take over area 51

2088
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,719
because they won't tell him the alien

2089
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:19,120
secrets and all this crazy and then i'm

2090
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:19,840
like

2091
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:22,239
why is what does richard dolan doing

2092
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:24,719
talk about oh this is linda moulton hale

2093
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,280
that makes sense then sent him for some

2094
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,679
reason but when i found out that that

2095
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:30,880
was all

2096
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,080
uh filmed by corbell then it all made

2097
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,719
sense to me so that's another fake fraud

2098
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:39,600
story that we're gonna but they got they

2099
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:43,199
got richard dolan in on it and i was so

2100
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,440
disappointed because i want to ask

2101
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:47,440
richard dolan do you believe that guy's

2102
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:48,880
telling the truth i don't believe he

2103
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,760
does

2104
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,199
and now they're gonna make a movie out

2105
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:52,960
of that i think

2106
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,440
in the last year or so we have seen some

2107
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:57,760
people surprise us with some of the

2108
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,120
things they've

2109
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,840
said and pushed and uh

2110
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,800
it's been a very interesting uh period

2111
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:07,679
uh for that um well i'll tell you what

2112
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:09,920
what what turned me off of jeremy

2113
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:12,800
corbell forever

2114
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:16,000
is that video that got out where he was

2115
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,840
you know supposedly debating stanton

2116
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,040
friedman

2117
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,280
yeah and i wanna i just wanna i just

2118
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,440
wanna mention i i was friends with

2119
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:25,920
stanton friedman up until his death he

2120
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,280
was a guest on my show and uh

2121
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,800
what i gotta say about the way that he

2122
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,560
treated him is that was the most

2123
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,719
disrespectful thing he could do to a

2124
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:37,199
legend in research in any research

2125
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:38,239
community

2126
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,600
and i would tell corbell don't go debate

2127
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,520
a guy who's having medical problems

2128
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:45,679
who's 80 something years old on this

2129
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:48,239
case that's not really up to par come

2130
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,679
debate me

2131
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,320
and corbell won't do that he will never

2132
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,239
have he will never it had nothing it had

2133
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,159
nothing to do with whether he should

2134
01:21:01,629 --> 01:20:58,400
have debated stanton friedman or not it

2135
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,639
was the disgusting

2136
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:03,600
disrespectful

2137
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:08,960
uh uh just just low life sleazy attitude

2138
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:12,880
that he uh and and demeanor

2139
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:15,840
that he treated stanton friedman with

2140
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,159
yeah and i cannot say like even if i

2141
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:20,000
even if i don't anybody yeah even if i

2142
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:20,960
don't

2143
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,679
look i i've had i had michael horn on my

2144
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,440
show and that turned into i know that

2145
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:27,440
was look hilarious that turned into a

2146
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,159
whole thing but i was listen i really

2147
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,880
tried to be respectful to him you know

2148
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:34,320
like at least i'm gonna be respectful

2149
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:35,440
yeah you didn't

2150
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,480
you didn't

2151
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:39,360
what corvell did to stanton friedman he

2152
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:40,639
ought to be

2153
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,760
forever ashamed of that and i remember

2154
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,239
before that video got out he was talking

2155
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,800
smack like he smacked stanton friedman

2156
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:50,960
down he won the debate and then somebody

2157
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,840
released that tape and and i haven't

2158
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,679
heard him say another word about it

2159
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:57,840
because it is disgusting it shows what

2160
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:01,600
an a-hole he is to the core

2161
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,440
and that's why i have no respect for and

2162
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,000
probably never will for jeremy corbell

2163
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:10,880
unless he completely changes

2164
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,679
um

2165
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,840
certain aspects of his purpose

2166
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:15,760
and admits that you know what is a funny

2167
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,639
thing is while he was before he made the

2168
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,719
bob lazar movie he and i were talking

2169
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:22,000
and i would say

2170
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:24,159
listen uh if you're going to do this

2171
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,520
you've got you're you're going to be the

2172
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:27,600
only guy that's going to get to ask any

2173
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,360
questions and so here's a list of

2174
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:31,280
questions where's the thesis he said he

2175
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:32,320
wrote a message

2176
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,480
thermodynamics thesis nobody writes a

2177
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:36,639
thesis ask anybody nobody writes a

2178
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,800
thesis and can't give you a copy of it

2179
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:42,639
a lot of different questions he didn't

2180
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,080
ask anything you know it was a it was a

2181
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,800
pro lazar propaganda piece that he made

2182
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,159
that's what it was intended to be to

2183
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,400
begin with they left out every he left

2184
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:54,320
out every piece of evidence that proves

2185
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,760
it's oh it's all he's pt barnum he's pt

2186
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,760
barnum you know well let me ask you a

2187
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:01,520
question because i can weaponize your

2188
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,159
curiosity let me let me ask you wow very

2189
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:06,880
important question because i have about

2190
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,760
40 minutes of a

2191
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,480
of a documentary that i was

2192
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,400
really intent on making that's the

2193
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:16,239
answer to that

2194
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,199
to that carnival barking

2195
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,679
nonsense of a thing but then i'm like i

2196
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:23,520
keep trying to go back to it and finish

2197
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,280
it and i think that would make about 25

2198
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,040
on the you know like the money that

2199
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,280
you're gonna make telling the truth and

2200
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,960
busting the bubble

2201
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,239
i don't know that it's worth finishing

2202
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,920
that thing i'd like to finish it though

2203
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:37,840
so there's at least a record of like

2204
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,629
yeah you might um

2205
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,280
what you you know what you got to do is

2206
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,480
ask yourself

2207
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,719
what's the most important thing is

2208
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,159
getting the info out there the most

2209
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,000
important thing yeah i might just you

2210
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,159
might just drop it for free because who

2211
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,480
cares do that yeah you know

2212
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:00,000
because then

2213
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:01,840
it's it's

2214
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,000
it's getting the info out there you know

2215
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,560
you know what does get to me in uh the

2216
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,639
current research that i did on doing

2217
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,040
some work on david wilcock and fact

2218
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,679
checking him and and uh you know i just

2219
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,360
mentioned bob lazar is moving to a

2220
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:18,000
million dollar house

2221
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,120
this uh

2222
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,880
and we have

2223
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,639
david wilcock has three million dollar

2224
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:24,080
mansions

2225
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,120
and uh

2226
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,800
i currently

2227
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:29,520
i'm getting like 25 dollars a month on

2228
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:30,719
patreon

2229
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:33,760
this is the total financial windfall and

2230
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,800
it's very discouraging like if i'm gonna

2231
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:38,320
be out here and try to tell people the

2232
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,199
truth

2233
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,440
but you get zero support and then

2234
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,440
there's these guys that are just telling

2235
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,080
fairy tales and they got a [\h__\h] card

2236
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,960
and people are lining up like lunatics

2237
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,719
to go what does that tell you about the

2238
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:52,560
audience what does that tell you about

2239
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,000
the audience

2240
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,560
here here's why i appreciate those

2241
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,560
people who show up at the walter bosley

2242
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,800
channel on sunday nights okay

2243
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,120
they show up regularly i have this i

2244
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:05,679
have about uh they're there and the

2245
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,880
reason i appreciate them is because um

2246
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,400
they want to hear

2247
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,320
you know

2248
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,800
my take on things and and i'm like you

2249
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,639
i'm a guy who's trying to keep it you

2250
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,080
know realistic

2251
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:20,159
um

2252
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,840
and i have to just say and apologize

2253
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,000
that yes on sunday nights

2254
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,719
you do an amazing job and i tr i've been

2255
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,120
there a few times and i try to do it

2256
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,520
more but i get back from this cabin oh

2257
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:33,600
and we get this

2258
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:40,790
my point is that um you know there's a

2259
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,760
group of people that are are open to

2260
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,560
hear

2261
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,560
what i have to say and i really

2262
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,040
appreciate that and you know there's you

2263
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:51,040
have your core that they really

2264
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:53,440
appreciate your honesty and so we have

2265
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:55,280
to we have to take heart in the fact

2266
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,920
that there are these pockets of people

2267
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:59,440
in the audience in the community out

2268
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,600
there that really believe me there's

2269
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,440
more of them that want the truth than we

2270
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,600
realize they really want the truth i

2271
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:06,880
guess i've been thinking a lot about

2272
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,040
this because i started this radio show

2273
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:11,040
and i gotta tell you that i'm so pleased

2274
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,480
that i got to you

2275
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,560
you're you've been on my list i started

2276
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,159
this radio show

2277
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,159
four and a half years ago

2278
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:20,320
and you have been on my list and there's

2279
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:21,199
only

2280
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,320
five shows left to produce or four after

2281
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:29,280
you maybe even three yeah maybe three

2282
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,480
and i got you off of the list i made an

2283
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:34,639
original list like that was kind of

2284
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:37,120
crazy and there's only a few people that

2285
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,440
i didn't get i got to stanton freeman i

2286
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,280
got to some amazing people and i just

2287
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,679
want to tell you i'm so glad to get you

2288
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,600
on my show because you've been on my

2289
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:48,080
list since the beginning

2290
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:50,080
well thanks i appreciate you know that

2291
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,360
you feel like i've got something to

2292
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:53,600
contribute to your audience

2293
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,719
i appreciate it and it's funny what

2294
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:57,120
you're saying about audience too because

2295
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:59,199
i start to realize that everybody has a

2296
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,480
place in this

2297
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,400
you might not like your place but you

2298
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,440
feel it's a natural place so for me

2299
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:07,760
it's like i gotta do these things that

2300
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,400
i'm doing and i have to show

2301
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,440
my side of things it's kind of like

2302
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,199
you're right somebody's gonna appreciate

2303
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:17,360
that and if it feels right to do it i

2304
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,280
have to look into these things and if

2305
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,360
these people are lying out there i want

2306
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,600
people to know the truth here's a dick

2307
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,600
here's a deeper look into what they're

2308
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,719
saying

2309
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:29,040
and here's why it's probably a fairy

2310
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,920
tale

2311
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:32,320
so everybody has their you know you know

2312
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,239
cw said it in his recent video i was

2313
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,560
listening to that earlier tonight uh cw

2314
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,280
channel said that uh hey you know you

2315
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,960
don't get to tell

2316
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:42,639
us to shut up

2317
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,320
if you're out there telling lies and

2318
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:46,560
fantasy stories you know you don't get

2319
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,600
to tell

2320
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,679
everybody to just shut up and listen and

2321
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:51,440
let you do that if

2322
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,320
no

2323
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,719
you you have to i i

2324
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:56,719
you have your critics i have my critics

2325
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,199
my gosh you know i had more critics and

2326
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,920
haters than fans you know when i was

2327
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,199
coming out with the first couple of

2328
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,360
books or so yeah you know that's funny

2329
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:07,679
because i have suddenly become the

2330
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,360
victim of uh like a cult cyber stalking

2331
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:14,080
campaign if i want to use the dramatic

2332
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,760
of some people

2333
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,679
because i had somebody on my show and

2334
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,679
the people that like him really didn't

2335
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:21,920
like what happened and now i gotta hear

2336
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,080
about it a lot like a lot oh gosh yeah

2337
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:27,679
that's another thing i'm glad you

2338
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,280
brought up um one thing that needs to go

2339
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:33,920
is this angry hostile

2340
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:37,440
fan trend yeah yeah you know that that

2341
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:38,800
stuff

2342
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:42,880
that that needs to be done with because

2343
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,600
if i would i would be embarrassed and

2344
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,360
i've told you know

2345
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:49,440
the folks who like my show and my books

2346
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,320
i've said

2347
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:52,800
you know please don't ever act like some

2348
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,080
of these people do on my behalf

2349
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,560
my thing is do that the best friends

2350
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:00,000
that i have

2351
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,280
are the ones that i can disagree with

2352
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,480
and still

2353
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:08,719
be respectful towards or be you know

2354
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,360
right those are the best kind of people

2355
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,639
you know

2356
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,639
i talk to a lot of different people and

2357
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:17,280
have everybody's got different beliefs

2358
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:20,400
why can't these the the woo-woo crazy

2359
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:23,600
people and the other side just kind of

2360
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,080
learn to co-exist and be more peaceful

2361
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:28,639
about it but this doxing stuff or like

2362
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,120
making up memes or like having whole

2363
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,080
blog posts just directed at you know

2364
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:36,960
trashing people and like but they get

2365
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,320
pissed and they're saying that we're

2366
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:40,960
doing that and i'm kind of like no but

2367
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:43,679
we're telling people the truth you know

2368
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:44,719
yeah

2369
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:48,480
be going away because there's more and

2370
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,560
more people being vocal it's the same

2371
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:52,320
thing with the cancel culture and the

2372
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,120
greater society that we got i i people

2373
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:57,360
are fed up with this cancel culture idea

2374
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:00,320
the the you said something we don't like

2375
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,960
but you said it 20 years ago you're done

2376
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,280
your career is over well you know what

2377
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:07,920
no i don't think so yeah

2378
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,639
apologize for it if it's bad enough and

2379
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:12,719
and move on but people are fed up with

2380
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,080
the the irrational insanity this madness

2381
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,239
of this canceled culture it's a similar

2382
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,480
thing to the um

2383
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:22,639
the hate fans the hostile fans that

2384
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:26,080
we're seeing in our community um people

2385
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,520
are people are tired of it just like

2386
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:29,440
people got tired of trolls you know

2387
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,719
increasingly

2388
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:32,880
i'll be honest with you i quit allowing

2389
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:35,760
i well i allow comments but i have to

2390
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,960
approve all of them yeah you know

2391
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:40,880
it's cut down the trolls that i used to

2392
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:43,920
have to deal with 99

2393
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:45,600
they don't bother anymore yeah i don't

2394
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,560
know i i had 100

2395
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:50,480
don't bother anymore i had this policy

2396
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,400
that i was completely and totally proud

2397
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,480
of for so many years that i would never

2398
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:56,880
block anybody on social media but then

2399
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:59,120
some crazy stuff this is michael horn

2400
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,120
and this billy meyer cult and all this

2401
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,199
crazy like yeah there's people telling

2402
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:05,360
me i'm a terrible father and my children

2403
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:07,679
should be ashamed yeah like so i go you

2404
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,920
know what i've done i've dealt with six

2405
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:12,239
weeks of this and that's enough and now

2406
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:13,679
i'm just gonna start blocking people

2407
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,800
that say crazy nasty stuff to me

2408
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,199
what i do is i allow people that

2409
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:21,840
actually if they want to criticize um a

2410
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,400
book yeah something related you can

2411
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,480
criticize my work all you want i will

2412
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,320
never block you for that but the troll

2413
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:30,480
behavior that never sees the light of

2414
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:31,360
day

2415
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:34,800
and it it i now only get a troll comment

2416
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,960
on rare occasion what i have right now

2417
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:38,560
right now are

2418
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:39,520
two

2419
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,120
haters

2420
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:43,679
who every time i put out a video they do

2421
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:46,000
a thumbs down there's two of them every

2422
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:47,920
single oh you know what listen this is

2423
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,239
my favorite i have this pet peeve i have

2424
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:52,480
this pet peeve where i'm putting up the

2425
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:54,239
radio show archives on my youtube

2426
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:56,480
channel and so like a few hours so like

2427
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:58,239
okay it'll be ten o'clock tonight but

2428
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:00,320
it's five o'clock and i put the video up

2429
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:01,760
and the premiere is there and the link

2430
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:04,400
is there so between like five o'clock

2431
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:06,800
when the premiere thing posted and ten

2432
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:09,920
o'clock there's like five thumbs downs

2433
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:12,000
you know it's like it didn't even play

2434
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,760
yet how are you

2435
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,679
down in this thing it didn't even at

2436
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,000
least listen to it before you yeah

2437
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,239
exactly but but you what it is is you

2438
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,239
have people that you've said something

2439
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,960
that they don't like what they do is i i

2440
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:27,040
just had to tell i just told teresa

2441
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:28,719
yaneros this tonight because she made a

2442
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:30,080
post yes

2443
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:32,320
exactly and i said that yeah and i told

2444
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,360
her

2445
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:35,440
yeah i said hey what you have you got a

2446
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:37,920
hater who just has tapped the bell and

2447
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:39,440
every time you're releasing a video they

2448
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,800
get the notice so they can go over there

2449
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,560
and do a thumbs down and that's what

2450
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:44,080
they're doing because they think here's

2451
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:45,920
the beauty of it steve they think

2452
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:48,080
they're hurting you on youtube it's a

2453
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:50,960
dummy it is engagement and it is the

2454
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:53,040
video in the search ranks so i yeah

2455
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:55,040
walter bozzi i'm a computer guy hate me

2456
01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:58,239
i'm kind of like yeah come on i need 25

2457
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:00,320
more people to come before the premiere

2458
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:02,719
starts and thumbs down it

2459
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,000
yeah that'll be great so um but you know

2460
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,400
i'm joking about michael horn because i

2461
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:10,480
i go like he went on a bunch of

2462
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:12,719
different shows to trash me and i go

2463
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:14,960
every time he does that my views spike

2464
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,080
up

2465
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:18,560
you know like yeah song like

2466
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:21,440
michael horn keep it up bro you keep it

2467
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:29,430
yeah i wanted to ask you about the

2468
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:31,600
latest with the space force and what

2469
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:34,080
your analysis you kind of touched on how

2470
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:37,280
you believe that this is a good thing

2471
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:38,320
one of the things that i've been

2472
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:42,719
thinking about is the operational or the

2473
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:45,040
are we recording again yes i'm sorry

2474
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:46,159
hold on okay

2475
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:47,600
i'll just start again and now and

2476
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,719
actually i

2477
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:51,120
totally fluff that question so

2478
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:55,360
let me one five four three two

2479
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:56,719
one of the other questions i wanted to

2480
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,239
ask you is

2481
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:00,639
we you touched on the space force and

2482
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,560
why you thought it was a good thing one

2483
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:04,800
of the things that i've thought of is

2484
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:05,600
that

2485
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:09,120
in the event of a large war ever again

2486
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:11,120
between the united states and any other

2487
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,120
powerful country

2488
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,840
the ability to knock out communication

2489
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,520
satellites for

2490
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,840
one specific example if we were in a

2491
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,840
major war with china and russia and we

2492
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,840
could knock their communications back to

2493
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:25,280
the stone age

2494
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:28,560
would we want that capability and i say

2495
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:31,520
absolutely we want that capability

2496
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:33,280
so is the space force going to be doing

2497
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,120
things like that or focused on things

2498
01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:37,760
like that or on a broader military

2499
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:40,159
objective

2500
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:42,080
they're going to be focused from my

2501
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:44,800
perspective being an air force officer

2502
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:47,119
they're going to be focused on

2503
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,639
all

2504
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:50,960
space related ops that support the

2505
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:53,920
broader military mission yes

2506
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,840
uh in wartime

2507
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:58,080
yes i would say that space force would

2508
01:35:02,629 --> 01:34:59,360
be then

2509
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:02,639
the primary actor when it comes to

2510
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:03,840
taking out

2511
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:06,320
the opponent nation's

2512
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,480
space assets including satellites and

2513
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:10,880
such so yeah they're going to be the

2514
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:13,520
ones taking that stuff out

2515
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:19,830
so i i guess i would suppose if you want

2516
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,440
to keep a secure america it's also a

2517
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:25,119
deterrent right wouldn't it wouldn't

2518
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,800
serve as a deterrent like if you mess

2519
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:28,480
with us we'll knock you back to the

2520
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:31,920
stage communications wise at least

2521
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,639
yes but is does america have the right

2522
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,280
to own space like that

2523
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:39,440
i don't think we're gonna look the

2524
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,760
owning of space would be kind of a

2525
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,280
an effect

2526
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:47,119
of our presence

2527
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,239
okay

2528
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,639
now look at china right now what they're

2529
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:52,880
doing with their protesters and stuff so

2530
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:55,920
i asked the reasonable rational person

2531
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,800
who do you want owning space them or us

2532
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,119
you know and uh i know here come the

2533
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,760
critic the the the america bashers and

2534
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,719
haters

2535
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,639
oh we're not perfect well i got news for

2536
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,199
you no nation is perfect you gotta

2537
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,040
you're gonna have to pick your lesser of

2538
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:15,600
what you consider to be evils and if

2539
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,239
it's between us and china i want us to

2540
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:19,840
be the dominant force

2541
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:23,520
in space in outer space um for you know

2542
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,679
the variety of reasons that that's just

2543
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,960
part of it

2544
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:29,280
but uh you know they'll also be doing

2545
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,239
things

2546
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,880
uh when it comes time when there is

2547
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:34,080
commercial

2548
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,800
travel and exploration and even when

2549
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:39,679
there's private you know exploration and

2550
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:42,639
travel or scientific or such um they'll

2551
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:46,000
also be providing uh defense and escort

2552
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:48,080
kind of services occasionally for that i

2553
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,000
could imagine yeah just like the navy

2554
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:52,320
did on the seas right i mean has done on

2555
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,520
the seas

2556
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:54,719
uh

2557
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,199
for a couple of centuries you know any

2558
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,520
navy any nation's navy protects as their

2559
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:01,360
you know protects their own emerging

2560
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:04,000
fleets yeah exactly exactly so they're

2561
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,360
going to be doing things like that and

2562
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,440
that is in our future just as it should

2563
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:09,520
be i i am a

2564
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:12,480
you could say on an evangelistic level i

2565
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:15,520
am a proponent of man in space it is our

2566
01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:19,520
future i believe it is our destiny um

2567
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,080
and it it's inevitable

2568
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:24,320
it's going to happen

2569
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:25,119
so

2570
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:26,000
let's

2571
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,360
made during the age of exploration you

2572
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:36,000
know but do you think not

2573
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:37,840
one of the philosophical questions that

2574
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,400
we could get to about the space force

2575
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:41,760
is

2576
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,920
an arms race in space do you think that

2577
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,840
china and russia are just going to roll

2578
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,320
over and say sure you guys can be

2579
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,480
dominant there or is this going to be if

2580
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,400
that's not going on already anyway yeah

2581
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,239
i guess you're right right it's just

2582
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,320
going to be the same old same old of of

2583
01:38:01,470 --> 01:38:00,080
course it is

2584
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:01,480
um

2585
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,159
[Laughter]

2586
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,760
wasn't there a treaty that said like

2587
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,679
there couldn't be weapons in space so

2588
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:09,840
we're kind of going against that it was

2589
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,719
the united nations resolution

2590
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,800
right well remember

2591
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,199
it you gotta look at united un

2592
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:19,520
resolutions how binding are they really

2593
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:21,360
yeah particularly when things get

2594
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,360
practical i'm personally not a fan of

2595
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:25,679
the united nations at all

2596
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,880
um they have an agenda that i'm

2597
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,760
personally

2598
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:33,360
vehemently opposed to and that's

2599
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:34,800
globalism

2600
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:40,480
and

2601
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,360
so

2602
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,520
you know i don't see where we need to be

2603
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:44,639
bound

2604
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:47,920
by the uh the the globalist agenda of

2605
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,320
that organization i get it but to me

2606
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,320
it's like if you make an agreement be a

2607
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:55,360
man of your word and we agreed okay uh

2608
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:57,360
spaceship circumstances change

2609
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,960
circumstances change yeah that's

2610
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,119
situation that's a good argument that is

2611
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:03,119
a good argument you know you got you got

2612
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,119
to be flexible things change things

2613
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,520
happen um and and what does that lead us

2614
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,880
to this interesting part of the

2615
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:10,480
conversation of

2616
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:11,280
gee

2617
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:13,440
what could be out there that and i know

2618
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,320
people here's the here's the irony about

2619
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,520
ttsa

2620
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:19,679
there's this one thing that's you know

2621
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,239
um others people in our field and other

2622
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,320
people out there in the in the community

2623
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,480
are complaining you know ttsa talking

2624
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,520
about the threat the irony for me is i

2625
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,199
don't have a problem with them when they

2626
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:33,360
talk about that because here's the thing

2627
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:36,239
um we don't know

2628
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:39,440
that there's not a threat out there

2629
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:41,119
we don't know that there's not a threat

2630
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:44,239
coming at us okay we the common people

2631
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:45,840
that are out of the loop we don't know

2632
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,320
that there's not the idea the notion

2633
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,040
that uh out there in space they're all

2634
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,880
love and light and to achieve

2635
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:55,119
interstellar travel you you will have

2636
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,639
conquered your you know your

2637
01:40:03,189 --> 01:39:58,960
belligerence and your your drive for

2638
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:03,199
warfare is the most childish ridiculous

2639
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,719
foolish notion but is so popular in our

2640
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,800
community and it's just

2641
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,920
laughable

2642
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,159
um because look at the way we develop

2643
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,000
technology how much of our technology is

2644
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:16,960
a result of developing it for warfare

2645
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:17,760
right

2646
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,639
so

2647
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:20,560
that's i would say i would say most of

2648
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:21,280
it

2649
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,840
space age you know uh

2650
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,360
that kind of you know took it even

2651
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:29,920
further so just one one example that i

2652
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,520
always like to say is gps gps was a war

2653
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,159
technolo that was originally developed

2654
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,320
for the military we were not supposed to

2655
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,480
get that but eventually it became a very

2656
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:42,080
common place and they said yeah we'll

2657
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:44,800
let the monkeys have this too

2658
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,360
you know yeah you know so and some guys

2659
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:49,520
started corporations to sell the early

2660
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:51,360
gps's

2661
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:53,199
there could be a legitimate

2662
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,800
there there could be extraterrestrial in

2663
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,639
fact i'm not gonna say there could be

2664
01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:00,239
i'm gonna i'm gonna say look for

2665
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,880
practical purposes you know just assume

2666
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,719
that there are extraterrestrial

2667
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,800
civilizations out there that will mean

2668
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:08,880
us harm okay

2669
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,560
we'd better be ready to stand up to that

2670
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:13,520
challenge

2671
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:14,880
that threat

2672
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:21,510
nerd in me loves that scenario though

2673
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,320
but like i think we'd get obliterated if

2674
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:26,159
any race that could come from another

2675
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:28,960
star system came to you know right now

2676
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,520
we're suffering in low earth orbit all

2677
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,760
we do is go in circles the whole space

2678
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,520
program is black

2679
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,520
but we don't know who our allies are yet

2680
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:39,199
yeah we don't even have a launch vehicle

2681
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:40,320
right now

2682
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,119
well this is a joke i think elon musk is

2683
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,239
making him look like an hour

2684
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,080
making them look like ass clowns and

2685
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:50,239
he's just some billionaire that has an

2686
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,840
intense interest

2687
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:53,520
we don't have to launch a vehicle we

2688
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:54,639
don't even have a launch and that's

2689
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,040
great i i love i i think the private

2690
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,600
sector i was glad when a few years ago

2691
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:02,080
you know nasa officially announced that

2692
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,880
you know

2693
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:04,400
at least the united states government

2694
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:07,119
was opening you know space up to

2695
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:08,880
entrepreneurs

2696
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:10,000
yeah it was great

2697
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,520
inevitable but i wonder how we're

2698
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:13,760
starting a space force when we don't

2699
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,719
have an operational launch vehicle it

2700
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,639
seems a little high in the sky yeah as

2701
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,719
far as we have the x-37b but that's a

2702
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,360
drone technically it's not manned

2703
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:25,520
yeah you know we don't know

2704
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,840
what we have we're paying the russians

2705
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,440
for you know hikes up to the

2706
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:31,199
international space station for our

2707
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,560
people

2708
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,320
we could have we could have an off-world

2709
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:36,960
ally who's watching our backs until we

2710
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,040
come up to speed uh

2711
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,600
look the ufo sightings could be

2712
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:44,080
you know um what those launch vehicles

2713
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:45,280
are

2714
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,719
but don't you think we got off track

2715
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,800
like it was 50 years ago right that we

2716
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,639
first went to the moon we should have

2717
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:52,960
been to mars by now and that's one of

2718
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,719
the speculations that's one of the

2719
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,800
speculations and there's a lot of secret

2720
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,159
space program

2721
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,760
so-called whistleblowers saying they

2722
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,000
went to mars and there's bases there and

2723
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,760
all this crazy

2724
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:05,520
well i have said before and i'll say it

2725
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:08,560
again um i have no problem with the idea

2726
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,639
that we may

2727
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,080
notice the difference between when i

2728
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,679
talk about this stuff and when these

2729
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:15,840
whistleblower boobs talk about it i say

2730
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,360
we may i could be wrong but i to me

2731
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:21,199
it wouldn't shock me if i were to find

2732
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,239
out that we actually uh have at least

2733
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,880
put boots on mars once

2734
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:28,239
yeah i would think that would be very

2735
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:30,480
believable considering we've put uh

2736
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,719
three or four robotic probes on the

2737
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,239
surface safely yeah they've been

2738
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,880
operational for years

2739
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,400
here's another question i want to ask

2740
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,639
you that's very important all of these

2741
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,719
all of these people out there selling

2742
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:44,800
structures on the moon and structures on

2743
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,320
mars and the mars face and mars pyramids

2744
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:50,239
i find it to be completely and totally

2745
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:52,159
not credible because what these people

2746
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,880
are either too stupid or you know lazy

2747
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,280
to realize is that we've got satellites

2748
01:44:01,590 --> 01:44:00,159
over these planetary bodies and you can

2749
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:01,600
get pictures

2750
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:13,350
that you say show an alien structure on

2751
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:15,119
the moon then why did you not use the

2752
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:16,239
new

2753
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,639
you know technology and show us the same

2754
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,199
structure because it's it's not there i

2755
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:23,280
don't think there's anything there

2756
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:26,560
well are they aware that they you know

2757
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,520
have

2758
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:29,440
which which is kind of embarrassing if

2759
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:31,360
you're into that research and you're not

2760
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,639
aware of

2761
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:35,600
you know um i would be embarrassed if i

2762
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:37,040
was pushing something and somebody said

2763
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,119
well hey dummy you know i'd be like oh

2764
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:40,960
my gosh but i'd be honest about it i'd

2765
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,040
say boy i look like a fool well let me

2766
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:45,119
look at this let's check out everything

2767
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,560
you know you can't answer those

2768
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,480
questions you can't ask those kind of

2769
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,239
questions

2770
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,080
you know so it's

2771
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:55,119
it's very it's very interesting what the

2772
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,480
technology

2773
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:58,800
is going to shoot down that's the other

2774
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:01,040
thing now that space force is an open

2775
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:03,280
thing a lot of the stuff in our

2776
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,440
community that people are claiming we're

2777
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,760
gonna and my stuff included we're gonna

2778
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,000
find out if we're right or not right

2779
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:12,400
eventually we're gonna find out

2780
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,560
yeah and you've never been too far ahead

2781
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:17,040
of the possibilities like some of these

2782
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:18,960
nut jobs saying that we're fighting

2783
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,360
secret space battles in space oh the

2784
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:23,760
draco's and all this stuff oh please

2785
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,800
please

2786
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:26,320
give me a break on the face of it it's

2787
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:28,080
ridiculous and and they're they're doing

2788
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:31,280
this tack you know who um you know does

2789
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,320
this tack of when you're openly critical

2790
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,119
it's how dare you

2791
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:39,360
yes it's well a lot of people don't know

2792
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:41,840
this but i am a member of the dark

2793
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:44,480
alliance according to oh me too i

2794
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:45,520
finally

2795
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:48,080
one time i was thrown in that list so

2796
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:49,760
very proud

2797
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:51,760
you're but you're like a major member of

2798
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,320
it right i don't know i think

2799
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:55,840
somebody was uh

2800
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,679
people were sending me uh

2801
01:46:02,709 --> 01:45:59,760
something david wilcox said about this

2802
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:02,719
one murderous person and but i think he

2803
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,520
was talking about cw chan or not me so

2804
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,679
i actually i you know i think a cw

2805
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:10,000
channel is going to get more of the uh

2806
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:13,040
more of the blame for being the whole

2807
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,920
you know

2808
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:15,840
he's the mastermind or is it jimmy

2809
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,840
church i'm kind of losing track of who's

2810
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,679
in charge of this whole thing

2811
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:21,280
which is funny because i'm also getting

2812
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,229
it's interesting they included me on a

2813
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:32,560
meme about a year ago year and a half

2814
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:33,840
ago

2815
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:36,159
briefly and after a couple of days they

2816
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:38,159
took my face off of it and put someone

2817
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,440
else on there

2818
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:41,840
and i and i thought oh i got bumped you

2819
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,480
didn't even get a full turn yeah i know

2820
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:47,040
i haven't seen any memes about me

2821
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:48,239
and i

2822
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:49,840
kind of felt left out because i didn't

2823
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:52,719
get any cease and desist letters but i

2824
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,400
figured out that these idiots were too

2825
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:56,880
stupid to actually find me or an email

2826
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,040
address to send the cease and desist

2827
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:01,440
letter maybe that's why i don't know or

2828
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,159
i'm just off their radar entirely and

2829
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:06,320
they're talking about other people it's

2830
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,080
funny like but they're starting to

2831
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,080
respond to this stuff and they're

2832
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,800
starting to be incredibly affected by it

2833
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,920
and it's

2834
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,600
tearing them up inside and they're

2835
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:17,600
creating all these false narratives that

2836
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:19,280
there's some secret

2837
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:21,199
you know the government's paying these

2838
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:24,639
guys to say we're liars and no uh maybe

2839
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:26,560
it could be that just people woke up and

2840
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:27,440
said

2841
01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:28,400
i'm gonna

2842
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:30,080
look at this guy's story and say it's

2843
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:33,520
whack-a-doodle because it is

2844
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,280
yes and and you know maybe the community

2845
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:39,760
you know in some regards is changing and

2846
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,119
it needs to

2847
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:44,159
so that ridiculous stuff like this

2848
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:47,679
you know won't be uh uh entertained

2849
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:50,800
for very long um you know the problem is

2850
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,280
i think it's just fair and healthy like

2851
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:55,840
this guy can go on tv and say all these

2852
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,639
crazy things so i'm allowed to go and

2853
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:01,760
say this is crazy and here's why

2854
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:03,679
you know yeah this is not true and

2855
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:06,800
here's why yeah so i hear you i hear you

2856
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,070
it's it's it has been a an interesting

2857
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,800
few years i will say that

2858
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,440
but um you know that

2859
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,600
on the other hand though i try to like i

2860
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:23,840
said i try to say my piece

2861
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:25,679
i'm honest when asked

2862
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:28,000
i say my piece and then i

2863
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:29,920
go back to doing my thing

2864
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:31,760
because i think that's really the best

2865
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:32,400
way

2866
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:35,119
is to just disregard these people

2867
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:36,080
you know

2868
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,719
when once you've pointed it out shed

2869
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:41,119
light on it then just disregard them

2870
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:43,040
yeah i try to do it but then you know

2871
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:44,719
what gets me interested is

2872
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:47,840
the ease at which i can call places and

2873
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:50,000
prove that what they just said was a lie

2874
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:52,800
oh that's no i'd like that's me like i

2875
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:57,760
get i i i hear like i swear when this

2876
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,239
david wilcock idiot made a video i felt

2877
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,159
like he was talking right to me and i'm

2878
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,320
like okay david wilcock

2879
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,639
i'm going to pick up my phone tomorrow

2880
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:08,880
you dummy and i'm going to show

2881
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,679
everybody what yeah nobody's doing that

2882
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,520
nobody's doing that it makes me sad dude

2883
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,199
like i was saying like sometimes i'm

2884
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,119
like why do i gotta be the guy to do

2885
01:49:21,589 --> 01:49:19,280
this but then i i i have this feeling

2886
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,599
like everybody has their part to play

2887
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,119
and maybe that's what you know the

2888
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,440
latest part michael horn michael horn

2889
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:28,239
did it to you a little bit um the

2890
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:31,440
tartaria guys do it um and that's this

2891
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,560
thing where

2892
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:34,719
say this stuff

2893
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,360
and when somebody says hey wait a minute

2894
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,920
that just on the face of it

2895
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:41,679
doesn't seem you know it doesn't seem

2896
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,920
realistic it seems like malarkey well

2897
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,440
then what they do is they say well you

2898
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:47,520
can't say that until you look at the

2899
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:49,599
material and then what they do is they

2900
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:50,960
give me anything

2901
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:52,960
yeah i got i said yeah about michael

2902
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,159
horn he sent me like 80 pages of stuff

2903
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,400
at a time like you gotta yeah it's like

2904
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:00,159
no no no you need to distill this and

2905
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,000
this is this was my message i said this

2906
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:04,719
on my um uh i've said this in my social

2907
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,199
media over the last 10 days or so

2908
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:09,040
and it's my sincere advice to the

2909
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:12,159
tataria guys so one of you in your

2910
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:14,800
tataria community you guys

2911
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,440
need to be the guy or guys who write a

2912
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:19,520
book on this take all this data that

2913
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,040
you're so proud of that you're convinced

2914
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:23,520
of distill it

2915
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,239
put out a book you know don't tell me

2916
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,320
this books are archaic nonsense they are

2917
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:30,639
not yeah um put it off put it all in a

2918
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:33,440
book get it out there instead of

2919
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:36,560
insisting that that everybody you're

2920
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,960
trying to convince takes hours and days

2921
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,960
he's an idiot

2922
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:42,239
that was what i get for michael horner

2923
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:43,599
well you're an idiot if you can't

2924
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,440
understand this well yeah i'm sending

2925
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,280
you but they you're sending me so much

2926
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:49,520
crap and i'm supposed to read this all

2927
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:52,639
like and it's all accents and like yeah

2928
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:54,560
it's just not trying to wear you down

2929
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:56,960
they just try to wear they don't exactly

2930
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,119
they don't know how to distill

2931
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:01,040
their own data that's what i said

2932
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,560
why can't there just be someone from

2933
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,239
your organization that can answer

2934
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,000
questions in simple terms and not

2935
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:08,480
require me to do a night of research for

2936
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:09,679
one question

2937
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,119
you know right

2938
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:12,800
and they can but they they don't want to

2939
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:15,119
do that they can't most of them but you

2940
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,880
hit on something that i think might also

2941
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,159
be part of it

2942
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:20,800
is they they want to inundate you what

2943
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:22,000
the uh

2944
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,440
sometimes i suspect that there's

2945
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,360
somebody out there that it's like hey

2946
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:27,119
this is a great tactic

2947
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,480
we will um derail this guy's own

2948
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:31,840
research

2949
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,239
and his own energy and his own attention

2950
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:36,560
by coming at him with this thing

2951
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,040
and then say well you can't criticize

2952
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,719
this until you've looked at blah blah

2953
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,280
blah blah blah and the theory is is that

2954
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,800
to be fair

2955
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:46,239
you're going to go look at all this

2956
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,199
stuff

2957
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:49,440
thus taking your attention away from

2958
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,679
what yeah oh no and i remember that game

2959
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,239
and then i i finally i did uh something

2960
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:56,239
called getting off the billy meyer crazy

2961
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,840
train where i talked about that yeah i'm

2962
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,679
just i'm not going to do it anymore i'm

2963
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:01,920
not i'm done like

2964
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,480
the onus is on them and and and i'm not

2965
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,760
trying to be disrespectful to the

2966
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,599
tataria guys because i told them that i

2967
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,440
would give it a fair look

2968
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:12,080
okay um i i haven't seen anything yet

2969
01:52:17,350 --> 01:52:14,560
that convinces me but it's a fair look

2970
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,360
but i ask them to you know please

2971
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:19,199
take the responsibility you're the one

2972
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:21,280
wanting people to uh take you seriously

2973
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:23,040
and believe your thing

2974
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,520
good and honest advice you know but and

2975
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:28,320
the onus is on them to present the

2976
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:32,560
material in a manageable um

2977
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,440
feed in in manageable pieces so

2978
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:37,599
you know until one of them

2979
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,679
decides to write the book you know a two

2980
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:42,000
or three hundred page book that kind of

2981
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,159
hits the main points and presents their

2982
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,480
hypothesis um

2983
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:48,400
they need to expect that people are

2984
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:51,520
going to disregard their thing

2985
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:53,360
absolutely because nobody's going to do

2986
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:54,480
all that

2987
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:56,239
you know three years worth of reading

2988
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:57,599
just to be able to have a conversation

2989
01:53:02,470 --> 01:52:59,440
just to be able to ask them a question

2990
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:02,480
no no that's um

2991
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:05,280
yeah i think it's a purposeful tactic

2992
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:06,880
well i want to thank you for giving us

2993
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:09,199
so much to think about tonight

2994
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:21,510
well friends i want to thank you for

2995
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:24,639
joining me tonight on another amazing

2996
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,229
coming up on the midnight hour show i

2997
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:33,760
have

2998
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:36,800
some amazing interviews to share

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01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:39,440
i've interviewed ryan from the secret

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01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:41,119
teachings

3001
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,119
i've got an interview with cliff stone

3002
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:47,760
and also coming up is

3003
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,159
my exclusive interview with john mcafee

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01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:54,239
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my youtube channel all of the shows that

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i've ever produced have been put there

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so far

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and this show of course will be no

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different

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[Music]

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please do make sure that you subscribe

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so that when i post a new show you will

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be notified make sure you hit the

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notification bell as well but it's most

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important to make sure that you

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subscribe

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to our youtube channel

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it's also important that i point out

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that the midnight hour show is a

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listener supported work of mine

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for as little as a dollar a single

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dollar you can support our show here and

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my work just go to patreon and search

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for my name steven cambion in the artist

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search box there you'll find our patreon

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and for as little as a dollar

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you can support our show i want to thank

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those who have supported the show so far

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through patreon it really means a lot

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we've been able to get a few bits of

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gear and equipment

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that was surely and sorely needed

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thanks to the patreon supporters thus

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far

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if you'd like to contact me i can be

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reached at midnight hour radio show at

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gmail.com again that's midnight hour

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radio show at gmail.com

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until next time folks i'm stephen

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cambion reminding you that the only

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thing infinite is our capacity for

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self-deception